will agree with me. I HATE jumping thru hoops to just read a friggin'
SD
card or an external drive because of a permission bullshit issue.

Sounds like a problem that exists between the keyboard and computer. I have
no such issues.


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Exodus wrote to Gamgee <=-

Why would you need 10 windows? Do you ever have 10 callers (or even
more than 2) at the same time?

I didn't mean BBS windows, I meant 10 windows running in the background for programs. ANd yes, I've had all 4 nodes online at one time.
Within the last few years, it's mainly 2, but once in a while I will
have 3 online at the same time.

Okay... well, you can have 10 (or 100) windows open on a Linux
computer, just like you can on Windows.

Not trying to give you a hard time, just want to understand your
thinking.

Good, I told Nick you were trying to group me in with Mr. Professor. :)
I just hate linux a little less than I do Apple. If it wasn't for
that anit-trust suite back in 95/96? ANd MS bailed them out by
releasing office on to Apple, that company would be gone.

Don't get me wrong, I love me a good Android, which is linux based, but the stupid permission crap kills me. Why am I forced to do this. If
I want my hardware to get fuc%ed up, and want to restore from a backup,
I should be free to do so. I don't see why we dumb things down to the lowest dumbest user of something. I don't get society. Survial of
the fitess ... needs to come back.

The permissions thing is a very good thing, as it protects your data
from other people that might be using the same computer. It is not a difficult thing to understand or use, once you know the basic concepts
of it. In this day and age, it is RARELY a problem and "just works".
You may have had a bad experience with it long ago or something, when
Linux was indeed somewhat difficult to use. It's not that way any more.

All right, well.... to each his own, I guess. Have a good one!



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The permissions thing is a very good thing, as it protects your data
from other people that might be using the same computer. It is not a difficult thing to understand or use, once you know the basic concepts
of it. In this day and age, it is RARELY a problem and "just works".

I work with it every day just so that I am able reprogram chips on chromebook motherboards. I just find it odd and cubersome compared to the set standard that is out there. Hell, even OS/2's OS/2 session used the same name commands to do shit as DOS .... COPY is COPY, RENAME is RENAME, TYPE is TYPE ... etc.


I just don't get the people that have to be "oh, I'm cool, I'm running Linux."
Big shit.

All right, well.... to each his own, I guess. Have a good one!

You too!

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Exodus to Gamgee on Sat Oct 25 2025 09:59 pm

Just Linux. I find it to be a horrible replacement for what is here.
Nick will agree with me. I HATE jumping thru hoops to just read a friggin' SD card or an external drive because of a permission bullshit issue.

I don't think that's too difficult to deal with. And the permissions are a good thing - They're for security, and especially when you're running something like a BBS, which is exposed to the internet, having security to help prevent people from doing malicious things to your system is a good thing.

Yes, but the doors everyone bitches and moans about NOT working are made for DOS and ment to run on DOS based. It's like be trying to shove a Chevy engine in a Ford. Could it be done? Yes, but why would I put shit into a Ford?

Some people would argue that putting a Ford engine in a Chevy would be "putting shit into a Chevy". ;)

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I just don't get the people that have to be "oh, I'm cool, I'm running

Linux."

Big shit.

But you're saying "oh, I'm cool, I'm running DOS"

So idk. Maybe you're the odd man out, here?

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Exodus to Gamgee on Sat Oct 25 2025 10:56 pm

just hate linux a little less than I do Apple. If it wasn't for that anit-trust suit back in 95/96? ANd MS bailed them out by releasing
office on to Apple, that company would be gone.

Are you referring to the anti-trust suit against Microsoft? And from what I recall, Microsoft bailed out Apple by investing money in Apple; their bailout wasn't their release of Office for Apple.

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Exodus to Gamgee on Sun Oct 26 2025 12:11 pm

I work with it every day just so that I am able reprogram chips on chromebook motherboards. I just find it odd and cubersome compared to the set standard that is out there. Hell, even OS/2's OS/2 session used the same name commands to do shit as DOS .... COPY is COPY, RENAME is RENAME, TYPE is TYPE ... etc.

The commands used in Linux are based on UNIX, which was around long before DOS and OS/2. It jus so happens that a lot of people who started with IBM-compatible PCs in the 80s and later would have used DOS and/or OS/2 because those were what were commonly available for those computers at the time. I feel like Linux is even more of a standard than DOS or OS/2 because it's rooted in the earlier traditions of UNIX.

Nightfox
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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Exodus to Gamgee on Sat Oct 25 2025 10:56 pm

Don't get me wrong, I love me a good Android, which is linux based, but the stupid permission crap kills me. Why am I forced to do this. If I want my hardware to get fuc%ed up, and want to restore from a backup, I should be free to do so. I don't see why we dumb things down to the lowest dumbest user of something. I don't get society. Survial of the fitess ... needs to come back.

Operating System permissions being tight are the opposite of dumbing down the system. They are a safety meassure in multiuser systems to protect groups of users from other users.

If you want to play around with your operating system you just get an administrative account in it. If you don't have an administrative account in in then the system is working as intended if you can't screw around.

For all the trash that can be talked about modern Linux implementations, you decided to trash a feature that works very well. I am honestly confused.


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I don't think that's too difficult to deal with. And the permissions are a good thing - They're for security, and especially when you're running something like a BBS, which is exposed to the internet, having security to help prevent people from doing malicious things to your system is a good th

WHAT?! I'm sitting on a 20 year old windows system, and nothing gets thry
to the BBS, but callers. People tend to "over worry" things like this for a BBS setup. And if something does get thru on that system (which hasn't in 30+ years), wipe, re-copy everything back over.

Some people would argue that putting a Ford engine in a Chevy would be "putting shit into a Chevy". ;)

Boo! :)

I don't think that's too difficult to deal with. And the permissions are a good thing - They're for security, and especially when you're running

Whenever I piss with Linux, I'm always root, so I don't have to deal with shit. When I have to create a user account is when I get pissy.

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Are you referring to the anti-trust suit against Microsoft? And from what recall, Microsoft bailed out Apple by investing money in Apple; their bailo wasn't their release of Office for Apple.

Yeah, and releasing programs for apple helped as well.

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But you're saying "oh, I'm cool, I'm running DOS"

So idk. Maybe you're the odd man out, here?

No, I'm saying, "Oh look, running the BBS and everything else on what it was designed on." :)

... Experience=a name everyone gives to his mistakes.

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No, I'm saying, "Oh look, running the BBS and everything else on what it

was

designed on." :)

There are BBSes not designed for DOS. Tons of 'em, in fact. Just because you started out using DOS based BBSes doesn't mean all BBSes are written for DOS. There are old Apple II BBS softwares, for example.

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Exodus to Nightfox on Sun Oct 26 2025 18:45:57

Hi, Exodus.

Whenever I piss with Linux, I'm always root, so I don't have to deal with shit. When I have to create a user account is when I get pissy.

I can see this is clearly a very emotive issue for you and I don't mean to raise your blood pressure any further. However I just wanted to say this gave me a huge flashback to the "Pussies and Assholes" speech in "Team America: World Police".

Sorry! :)

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: esc to Exodus on Mon Oct 27 2025 04:39:39

There are BBSes not designed for DOS. Tons of 'em, in fact. Just because you started out using DOS based BBSes doesn't mean all BBSes are written for DOS There are old Apple II BBS softwares, for example.

IIRC, the OG, CBBS, ran on an Altair.
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Utopian Galt wrote to Exodus <=-

I would love to go back to WIndows 10, but as soon as Windows 10 ages, script kiddies are going to find things to mess with my virtual
machine.

Look at Windows 10 OIT LTSC for support until (I think) 2030.

You can get another year of support by signing up for a microsoft
account and setting up backup. That at least gives kicks the can down
the road a bit.



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Bob Worm wrote to Exodus <=-

this gave me a huge flashback to the "Pussies and Assholes" speech in "Team America: World Police".

I was thinking that it's about time for a re-watch. This settles it.



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There are BBSes not designed for DOS. Tons of 'em, in fact. Just because yo started out using DOS based BBSes doesn't mean all BBSes are written for DO There are old Apple II BBS softwares, for example.

Yes I know ...

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Mon Oct 27 2025 07:48:49

Look at Windows 10 OIT LTSC...

M-O-U-S-EEEEEEE! (Sorry, couldn't resist). :)

You can get another year of support by signing up for a microsoft
account and setting up backup.

AKA, the Procratination Maneuver. I'm in the Windows Insider program, so I'm all set. Come next October, however, I think it'll be time to ease on down the road.
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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bob Worm on Mon Oct 27 2025 07:48:49

I was thinking that it's about time for a re-watch. This settles it.

We need a montage!
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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Utopian Galt on Mon Oct 27 2025 07:48:49

Look at Windows 10 OIT LTSC...

M-O-U-S-EEEEEEE! (Sorry, couldn't resist). :)

You can get another year of support by signing up for a microsoft account and setting up backup.

AKA, the Procratination Maneuver. I'm in the Windows Insider program, so I'm all set. Come next October, however, I think it'll be time to ease on down the road.

Zero Patch will be available for a while.

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Shurato wrote to Mortar M. <=-

AKA, the Procratination Maneuver. I'm in the Windows Insider program, so I'm all set. Come next October, however, I think it'll be time to ease on down the road.

Zero Patch will be available for a while.

Part of the beauty of homelabs is being able to spin up a new VM
without impacting your current setup. I have a 64 bit Windows 11 VM I
could move the BBS to, at this point I don't have an 32-bit
dependencies.



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* In a message originally to Shurato, poindexter FORTRAN said:

Shurato wrote to Mortar M. <=-

AKA, the Procratination Maneuver. I'm in the Windows Insider

program, so

I'm all set. Come next October, however, I think it'll be time to

ease on

down the road.

Zero Patch will be available for a while.

Part of the beauty of homelabs is being able to spin up a new VM
without impacting your current setup. I have a 64 bit Windows 11 VM I
could move the BBS to, at this point I don't have an 32-bit
dependencies.

Yeah, I rely on too many DOS doors. Can't run linux either as the Linux port of my BBS software used the wrong compiler and can't run external programs (even linux ones).

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit
By: Shurato to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov 01 2025 06:16 pm

Yeah, I rely on too many DOS doors. Can't run linux either as the Linux port of my BBS software used the wrong compiler and can't run external programs (even linux ones).

Is the source code for your BBS software not available so that you can compile it yourself on the Linux distro you're using?

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Re: Re: windows 10/32bit By: Shurato to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov
01 2025 06:16 pm

Yeah, I rely on too many DOS doors. Can't run linux either as the

Linux

port of my BBS software used the wrong compiler and can't run

external

programs (even linux ones).

Is the source code for your BBS software not available so that you can compile it yourself on the Linux distro you're using?

It needs to be compiled with Virtual Pascal, which doesn't exist in Linux.
It's compiled in Free Pascal and I couldn't get the source code to compile at all. It's written in Pascal, which is a problem with Linux.

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BBS setup. And if something does get thru on that system (which hasn't
30+ years), wipe, re-copy everything back over.

Not that I disagree, but one thing being discounted is the possible damagethat could be caused to _other_ systems using your compromised system.


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I was thinking that it's about time for a re-watch. This settles it.

If you don't throw in your buck o' five, who will?

Mmmhmmhmmm... Freedom costs a buck o'.. fiiiive.


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damagethat could be caused to _other_ systems using your compromised

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Slacker, this is a bug in the editor :)


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BBS setup. And if something does get thru on that system (which hasn't
30+ years), wipe, re-copy everything back over.

Not that I disagree, but one thing being discounted is the possible damaget could be caused to _other_ systems using your compromised system.

Such as?

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could be caused to _other_ systems using your compromised system.

Such as?

Such as ... anything they could do directly, except through your system so it looks like you did it.


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