• Steam

    From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to All on Wed May 14 10:58:20 2025
    Change your passwords. Their database got compromised recently.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Utopian Galt on Wed May 14 13:45:49 2025
    Re: Steam
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Wed May 14 2025 10:58 am

    Change your passwords. Their database got compromised recently.


    If that is true, that is yet another reason not to trust your games to cloud services of any kind.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Utopian Galt on Wed May 14 14:23:57 2025
    Re: Steam
    By: Utopian Galt to All on Wed May 14 2025 10:58 am

    Change your passwords. Their database got compromised recently.


    It seems it was a 3rd party vendor for multifactor authentication who got breached, not Steam itself. And even that is not exactly clear.

    Steam passwords would be safe as far as we know.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Wed May 14 12:26:11 2025
    Re: Steam
    By: Arelor to Utopian Galt on Wed May 14 2025 01:45 pm

    Change your passwords. Their database got compromised recently.

    If that is true, that is yet another reason not to trust your games to cloud services of any kind.

    Steam is just a marketplace to buy games. The games themselves could have security issues if they use online services, but that's their own issue.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Wed May 14 18:12:27 2025
    Re: Steam
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Wed May 14 2025 12:26 pm


    If that is true, that is yet another reason not to trust your games to cloud services of any kind.

    Steam is just a marketplace to buy games. The games themselves could have security issues if they use online services, but that's their own issue.

    Steam is a marketplace, but it is not JUST a marketplace. Any time the merits of different game marketplaces are thrown into a discussion, somebody will quickly point out that Steam is also a provider of social functions, mod distribution, DRM enforcement, and an online services enabler for game features.

    In other words, many game builds for Steam are so integrated with Steam that the games themselves would lose a good chunk (if not all) of their functionality if you happened to have them installed and then Steam went *pooff*.

    But here is the thing, none of this matters because due to the way Steam operates, most people buys tons and tons of games at a discount and they don't bother to download/install them until they are going to play them. If you have 200 games in your collection you might have 3 of them installed. If Steam goes *pooff* then most people's collections will be gone because most people won't have a copy of their stuff and Steam does not facilitate a way of achieving that (in comparison to places such as Gog, itch.io or Zoom, which make it a no-brainer to install games independently from their services).


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  • From Malvinas@21:4/167 to Arelor on Sat May 17 15:53:44 2025
    If you have 200 games in your collection you might have 3 of them installed. If Steam goes *pooff* then most people's collections will be gone because most people won't have a copy of their stuff and Steam does not facilitate a way of achieving that (in comparison to places such as Gog, itch.io or Zoom, which make it a no-brainer to install games independently from their services).


    It's not just that they "don't facilitate" a way for users to "save away" a copy of the game. When you "buy" a game on steam, you never really *BUY* the game... you just buy a *LICENSE* from steam to use the game for a while (that while might be so long as to have you believe it is forever)... but the actual real ("phisical..") game, you never buy that on steam.
    It's always just a license to "use" the game.
    Either Steam goes "poof" or they just decide to screw everyone over and poof themselves up, everyone will end up with what they did actually buy: a license for each game, terminated.
    Careful who you do business with...

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Malvinas on Sat May 17 19:02:59 2025
    Re: Re: Steam
    By: Malvinas to Arelor on Sat May 17 2025 03:53 pm

    It's not just that they "don't facilitate" a way for users to "save away" a copy of the game. When you "buy" a game on steam, you never really *BUY*

    They don't? Years ago, Steam allowed you to back up your games and had an option to make ISOs or burn the backups directly to DVD-R discs.. I suppose now that most PCs these days don't have optical drives, they could still let you save backups somewhere, but maybe they've removed that option altogether?

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Sun May 18 14:59:49 2025
    Re: Re: Steam
    By: Nightfox to Malvinas on Sat May 17 2025 07:02 pm

    It's not just that they "don't facilitate" a way for users to "save away" a copy of the game. When you "buy" a game on steam, you never really *BUY*

    They don't? Years ago, Steam allowed you to back up your games and had an option to make ISOs or burn the backups directly to DVD-R discs.. I suppose now that most PCs these days don't have optical drives, they could still let you save backups somewhere, but maybe they've removed that option altogether?

    I have never seen such an option. If anybody knows where it is, I am eager to hear about it.

    However, it seems to me the standard way of backing up a Steam game is to copy the folder it is installed over to an archive, alongside some wrapper that mocks Steam's DRM.


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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Sun May 18 13:13:23 2025
    Re: Re: Steam
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun May 18 2025 02:59 pm

    It's not just that they "don't facilitate" a way for users to "save
    away" a copy of the game. When you "buy" a game on steam, you never
    really *BUY*

    They don't? Years ago, Steam allowed you to back up your games and had an
    option to make ISOs or burn the backups directly to DVD-R discs.. I
    suppose now that most PCs these days don't have optical drives, they could
    still let you save backups somewhere, but maybe they've removed that option
    altogether?

    I have never seen such an option. If anybody knows where it is, I am eager to hear about it.

    However, it seems to me the standard way of backing up a Steam game is to copy the folder it is installed over to an archive, alongside some wrapper that mocks Steam's DRM.

    I'd never heard about that option.. From what I recall, I think I found out about the backup option I mentioned either in the Steam documentation or just exploring the Steam UI. I remember being able to right-click on a game in your library and there being an option to back up the game.

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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Arelor on Sun May 18 13:13:12 2025
    I have never seen such an option. If anybody knows where it is, I am eager to hear about it.

    I haven't been on steam for years but I used that option to backup and reinstall games in the past. I'm sure if I looked through my stack of disks I could find a few of them.

    I haven't been on steam in so long I don't know if it is still on option today.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Al on Sun May 18 17:38:26 2025
    Re: Re: Steam
    By: Al to Arelor on Sun May 18 2025 01:13 pm


    I haven't been on steam for years but I used that option to backup and reinstall games in the past. I'm sure if I looked through my stack of disks I could find a few of them.


    I did a quick online search and so far it seems that Steam provide a way to pseudo-backup your games using their UI. By the look of it, the intent of such is that if your PC crashes you can re-import your game library into a new PC rather than redownload all your things.

    It still leaves me cold as an alternative because your copies of the games are still linked to Steam and so far this pseudo-backup functionality is clearly less complete than just copying the game files over to archival media alonside a Steam DRM mocker.


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  • From Al@21:4/106 to Arelor on Sun May 18 16:04:54 2025
    I did a quick online search and so far it seems that Steam provide a way to pseudo-backup your games using their UI. By the look of it, the intent of such is that if your PC crashes you can re-import your game library into a new PC rather than redownload all your things.

    I did use those backups to reinstall the games after installing a new OS or upgrade. It did save time and bandwidth downloading those games back then.

    It still leaves me cold as an alternative because your copies of the games are still linked to Steam and so far this pseudo-backup functionality is clearly less complete

    No, it is a complete backup.

    than just copying the game files over to archival media alonside a Steam DRM mocker.

    This is what I do today. Whatever I want backed up is simply archived in a tar.xz (or similar) archive. It's simple and easy.

    I never did care for the way steam games are locked into their UI. That's probably why I haven't used it in so long.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Sun May 18 17:40:08 2025
    Re: Re: Steam
    By: Arelor to Al on Sun May 18 2025 05:38 pm

    I did a quick online search and so far it seems that Steam provide a way to pseudo-backup your games using their UI. By the look of it, the intent of such is that if your PC crashes you can re-import your game library into a new PC rather than redownload all your things.

    How is that a "pseudo" backup? It sounds like it achieves the intent.

    It still leaves me cold as an alternative because your copies of the games are still linked to Steam and so far this pseudo-backup functionality is clearly less complete than just copying the game files over to archival media alonside a Steam DRM mocker.

    I'd never heard of this DRM mocking, but it sounds like something sketchy to me..?

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Arelor on Mon May 19 13:34:39 2025
    Re: Re: Steam
    By: Arelor to Nightfox on Mon May 19 2025 02:48 pm

    If you count on Steam existing forever you may as well not backup your games since you believe you will be able to grab them from their library anyway.

    Yeah, I guess that's a potential problem. I believe Steam is developed and maintained by Valve, and if they ever go out of business, hopefully they'll release customers' games in a way they can play them without Steam.

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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Mon May 19 14:48:15 2025
    Re: Re: Steam
    By: Nightfox to Arelor on Sun May 18 2025 05:40 pm

    How is that a "pseudo" backup? It sounds like it achieves the intent.


    A backup strategy needs two main components: a way to replicate the data to safe storage, and a way to use the data you have in safe storage.

    If you store your games but then you lack the means to play them your backup is not a real backup. Therefore if your backup strategy does not include a way to operate without the assistance of the Steam ecosystem it is not a full solution at all. Steam's availability is not granted.

    If you count on Steam existing forever you may as well not backup your games since you believe you will be able to grab them from their library anyway.

    And yeah I guess mocking DRM via library injection or whatever they are doing these days can be considered ugly and whatever have you, but I think DRM is even uglier. I wrote a small article about videogame preservation recently while I decided to create backups of all my retail copies, and DRM is an anger inducing technique which would be a serious risk for videogame preservation if it wasn't so easily defeatable.

    Lots of Spectrum games are still available today only because some people took the time to copy the tapes over. So yay for sketchy preservation techniques.


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  • From Arelor@21:2/138 to Al on Mon May 19 15:30:41 2025
    Re: Re: Steam
    By: Al to Arelor on Sun May 18 2025 04:04 pm

    It still leaves me cold as an alternative because your copies of the games are still linked to Steam and so far this pseudo-backup functionality is clearly less complete

    No, it is a complete backup.

    Related to the subject:

    https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/1/2793871682815169598/

    Quotes:

    "1. Why does Steam have to be in Online Mode in order to restore a backup?

    [...]

    It has to be in online mode to verify ownership and cache of game files you backup, and then it'll download any files that weren't verified from cache. "

    "Yes, I also tried installing from game backups and the games completely redownloaded instead. "

    So I guess the official approach gives you a backup copy of the stuff you already have in your hard drive, which happens to be a semi-backup that relies on Steam to work. So yeah, not thrilled.


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