Gleb Hlebov:

This is how our msgs would appear formatted to fit a
Speccy screen. :-)

It depends. The translation of Star Heritage in which I
participated uses 40 characters perline, with a one-
characgter margin on the left and right, so a full line is
42 characters:

https://freeshell.de/~antonius/img_host/sh-ingame.gif

Alone Coder's Assembler (Alasm) has a wider line and
narrower font:

https://worldofspectrum.net/pub/sinclair/screens/in-game/a/ALASM.gif

Anyway, FidoNet was not designed for ZX Spectrum...

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Alexander Koryagin:

I meant that when all paragraphs are sent as
long lines they don't need formatting at all
and look good at any device.

No, they need wrapping in the client software,
which becomes quite complicated with the various
quotation prefixes. This is why the task of for-
matting is properly given to the text edi-
tor -- the program specialising in formatting
text, whereas the client should display articles
as-is. My Groff may be using hyphenation and spe-
cial word-breaking rules to produce an aestheti-
cally pleasing text not meant to be rewrapped.

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28 Nov 2023 12:21, you wrote to you:

[...]

All linefeeds, 0AH, should be ignored. Systems which
display message text should wrap long lines to suit their
application.

But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--

<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>

Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)

Carlos

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Carlos Navarro to Anton Shepelev:

But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--

<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>

Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)

Right, but there is no such discrepancy in BBS, Usenet, or
e-mail. Have you a been a long time in Fidonet, has it
always (or at least since 1995) used soft-wrapped text?

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Hello Carlos,

<Sun 03-12-2023 14:20> Carlos Navarro <2:341/234.1> vs. Anton Shepelev:

All linefeeds, 0AH, should be ignored. Systems which
display message text should wrap long lines to suit their
application.
But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--
<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>

Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)

There are a few documents formatted for printing, obviously, hence the justified paragraphs. The rest of them are mostly 70 cols.


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Publication: FSP-1041.001
Revision: 1
Title: The BEER nodelist flag
Author(s): FTSC Members, Administrator and Honoured Guests
Issue Date: 01 April 2018 =====================================================================


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04 Dec 2023 11:25, you wrote to me:

But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--

<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>

Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)

Right, but there is no such discrepancy in BBS, Usenet, or
e-mail. Have you a been a long time in Fidonet, has it
always (or at least since 1995) used soft-wrapped text?

I started as a point in 1992. I mostly used FrontDoor's editor (FM) and timEd. Both support(ed) long lines and wrapped text.

Carlos

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05 Dec 2023 14:52, you wrote to me:

But how come the FSC-0001 itself it not written in the
FidoNet format?--
<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>

Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)

There are a few documents formatted for printing, obviously, hence the justified paragraphs. The rest of them are mostly 70 cols.

From FTA-1002 (Document Submission and Publication Standard):

3.2 Document Formatting
-----------------------

Major Header titles and Introductory text alignment are to be left
flush (i.e. starting at the leftmost column) with a maximum line
length of 70 columns (excluding the line terminator), to permit easy
conversion to a Fidonews posting.


Carlos

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Hello Carlos,

<Wed 06-12-2023 21:02> Carlos Navarro <2:341/234.1> vs. me:

<http://ftsc.org/docs/fts-0001.016>

Because it is a text file, not a Fidonet message :-)

There are a few documents formatted for printing, obviously,
hence the justified paragraphs. The rest of them are mostly 70
cols.

From FTA-1002 (Document Submission and Publication Standard):
3.2 Document Formatting

Okay, this is correct, but it was first published in 1997, whereas
ftsc-0001 (which was "justified pretty") was published in 1995.
Just a nerdy remark. :-)


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Hello Carlos,

<Wed 06-12-2023 20:57> Carlos Navarro <2:341/234.1> vs. Anton Shepelev:

Right, but there is no such discrepancy in BBS, Usenet, or
e-mail. Have you a been a long time in Fidonet, has it
always (or at least since 1995) used soft-wrapped text?

I started as a point in 1992. I mostly used FrontDoor's editor (FM)
and timEd. Both support(ed) long lines and wrapped text.

I believe the idea of long lines (i.e. one paragraph = one line) has always been there since the advent of IBM PC and MS-DOS and so BBS tech (and, later in 1984, Fidonet) inherited it for its text-processing needs. BBSes first appeared even before that, in late 1970s, and run on CP/M systems (CP/M technically was a predecessor of DOS).
However Usenet/e-mail/internet-related stuff originated in Unix world and *nix system standards and/or Usenet policy could be different. I'm not sure why AS keeps referring to "BBS and Usenet" in this regard. :-)


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Hi, Gleb! Recently you wrote in a message to Ardith Hinton:

BTW is it okay to use "hang around" without seeming a bit
too "informal", or should I have said "stay"? :-)

Once upon a time I was taught to use formal English & I think the same also applies to many others here.

In echomail we tend to write less formally, as native speakers do when they don't have to prove anything to Miss Stickler or whomever. If you feel more comfortable with informal terms that's okay AFAIC. If you've made what others see as usage errors & they try to help that's okay here as well. However, I was not objecting to your vocabulary. The words you used tell me significantly more than the alternative in your question.

WRT this example, I used quotation marks to inform you I'd regard "hang around" as colloquial. Not all dictionaries mention such things. :-)




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