• Re: I watched the 'talk'

    From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Dr. What on Mon Mar 24 06:02:32 2025
    The media people think that they can "wish something true." They thin that if they wish it, want it, and say it enough times, then it will come true.

    In general, that side decides their "reality" based on what they want to be true and without any facts/evidence. Then they get angry when
    Reality doesn't conform.

    If they would pray for things to come true, then they might have better success. But instead of praying they just say "thoughts and prayers." (It's not the same!)

    It's the small minority of Elitists who want to run everyone else's
    lives that causes the problem.

    I'm noting that they control guys like me by force sometimes, but some people can be controlled by a tv broadcast, without even being forced. At one point they probably thought that the population of idiots was growing, but it's actually shrinking. (Hooray!)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 24 06:32:06 2025
    He did start the tariffs on steel and aluminum, and we have already
    had some layoffs due to that.. and then he backed off on those when
    it's for your auto industry, likely when screamed at by your auto
    people about the Billions of dollars it would cost them and the loss
    of car sales when Canadians stop buying American cars out of spite
    and your people buy fewer of them after the prices go way up.

    The previous president (President Biden) did a lot of (unprecedented) damage to our economy. If it weren't for him and the Democrats who wanted to waste trillions of dollars, then Trump wouldn't be acting so tough with Canada. It's just that our country needs to be saved, and Trump is willing to step on other countries' backs to get us back up to par. But really it's the Democrats and especially former President Biden who should take the blame for all this because they are the cause, and Trump's actions are just the effect.

    People often set up hotels and entertainments in advance, often with
    a deposit, and the people who had already set those up are having those things cancelled.

    That might be true, but how could the media actually prove this trend? Would hotels actually show them their reservation databases?

    If nothing else there are a lot of American small business owners near
    the border that are already worrying about lay offs and bankruptcy..

    Big changes need to be made here in the USA in order for us to not go bankrupt as a country. Not everything is a downhill ride, and sacrifices need to be made. The media is enjoying the opportunity to highlight the inconveniences but they're not taking the time to explain the benefits.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Mon Mar 24 07:57:00 2025
    There have been some comparisons of articles posted on US news sites vs.
    >those on international sites. If it is to be believed, the US sites will
    >often leave key negative things out of their headlines. Made up example
    >here, but a US headline might read:

    "Trump reinstates three suppliers of widgets"

    While the international headline might read:

    "Widget makers give $41million to Trump and are reinstated as defense
    >suppliers"

    Interesting.. I wonder how much of foreign news Trump is shown or
    bothers to look at himself? If nothing else it would show him who
    best to attack next..

    I wonder, too, if the difference isn't so much where the news is coming
    from but whether or not they are using AI to create headlines or possibly
    even article content. Here in the US, there have been some boo-boos lately with news outlets using AI that even got one of them in legal hotwater when
    the AI accidentally claimed that someone was involved in something they had nothing to do with.

    There's speculation that's misdirection too, that Trump hopes we
    will vote for the party he claims he doesn't want in power here.

    Yeah, I see that some in other things he does... what if he is making them angry so they do something he actually wants?

    Another 'expert' was on our news tonight saying that what Trump really
    wants (Re: 51st State) is conrol over rare minerals and such that we
    have more of, which was why he was also going after Greenland and
    agreeing to (somewhat) back up Ukraine in exchange for total control
    over buying their rare earth elements.

    There is a lot of talk about minerals and resources, including water, that
    you all have more of and that Trump would like more of. He supposedly said that Canada has "too much water," for example.

    IIRC, that is also why Hitler became obsessed with invading Russia and some
    of the other countries... Germany needed their coal and oil.

    Mike

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Rob Mccart on Mon Mar 24 07:11:15 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    "Trump reinstates three suppliers of widgets"

    While the international headline might read:

    "Widget makers give $41million to Trump and are reinstated as defense
    >suppliers"

    Interesting.. I wonder how much of foreign news Trump is shown or
    bothers to look at himself? If nothing else it would show him who
    best to attack next..

    I've started reading cbc.ca and gone back to BBC News. Nothing against
    American news sources, but reporting news of an administration that
    claims to be an existential threat to a newsmaking business means that
    they're compromised.


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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Aaron Thomas on Tue Mar 25 07:18:14 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    If they would pray for things to come true, then they might have better success.

    I doubt it. What they want simply goes against human nature and facts.

    But instead of praying they just say "thoughts and prayers."
    (It's not the same!)

    No, but that "thoughts and prayers" is just virtue signaling from them.

    I'm noting that they control guys like me by force sometimes, but some people can be controlled by a tv broadcast, without even being forced.
    At one point they probably thought that the population of idiots was growing, but it's actually shrinking. (Hooray!)

    Even the most left Leftie understands an empty wallet and bank account.


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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Tue Mar 25 07:18:14 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    Interesting.. I wonder how much of foreign news Trump is shown or
    bothers to look at himself? If nothing else it would show him who
    best to attack next..

    Trump has bigger fish to fry than foreign urinalists.

    I'm sure it's not that cut and dried. Poilierve is actually saying in
    ads that Carney is too weak and will cave in to what Trump wants, but
    P's policies are more like Trumps I think so it's hard to say if that means they will get along better or worse, although Trump seems to be hoping Carney gets in.

    Carney will cave, but P will negotiate. I don't think Trump cares who gets in.
    He will deal with whoever. The only real choice is whether Canada wants Trump to run Canada or for Canada to run Canada.

    Another 'expert' was on our news tonight saying that what Trump really

    The problem with experts today is that too many are out, standing in their fields and not outstanding in their fields.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Mar 25 00:59:00 2025
    Another problem with this information is "Travel agencies.." Canadians
    >> don't need a travel agency to travel to the USA.

    They might use one if they fly.

    US news outlets are reporting that traffic at border crossings is as low
    >as it has been since COVID, so there are your "no travel agent" travelers
    >covered.

    Plus air tarvel is way down. Regardless of how people cross the border (assuming they don't sneak across) the gov't knows exactly how many
    people cross in both directions.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Mar 25 01:48:00 2025
    US news outlets are reporting that traffic at border crossings is as low
    as it has been since COVID, so there are your "no travel agent" travelers covered.

    You and I both know that the media lies about most things. This is no excepti
    > Here's a snippet from the CBP's website:

    "In February 2025, CBP processed a significant number of passenger vehicles a
    >orts of entry, with a notable increase of 5.2% compared to the previous perio
    >according to the CBP's February 2025 Monthly Update."

    Was that compared to last month or February last year? The numbers were
    hugely up this year until the Trump sitaution got going..

    As I've said, our gov't says travelers to the US are down by 40% in March
    and that's a big travel month here due to 2 weeks off in schools during
    the March Break (Spring Break there)..

    And according to NBC News, Canadian cars crossing to the USA in February
    was down 23% compared to February last year.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Tue Mar 25 02:05:00 2025
    T did say "vote for me and you won't ever need to vote again".

    #11thprovince. I'd vote for that, but lord help our friends up North if
    >it happened.

    Speaking of voting.. Our coming Federal election a the end of April,
    I mentioned the Polls were showing the Liberals and Conservatves so
    close (1% difference) that they couldn't say who was in front, but
    they clarified it today saying that that was the 'popular' vote when
    asking a few thousand people who they would vote for Today but, like
    down there, 1 vote is not 1 vote. A district elects an Member from
    a party and those members make up seats in the government and apparently
    at the moment Carney is estimated to win 152 seats and the Conservatives
    at 119.

    They are both hoping to get more obviously, and to get a majority
    government in place you need at least 172 seats, so there's a ways
    to go still and we may end up with another Minority gov't and
    making deals with other small parties to get things passed..

    Popular vote is like when Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump
    in his last election but he won more districts, and the election.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Tue Mar 25 08:22:33 2025
    "In February 2025, CBP processed a significant number of passenger vehi AT>a
    >orts of entry, with a notable increase of 5.2% compared to the previous
    >perio
    >according to the CBP's February 2025 Monthly Update."

    Was that compared to last month or February last year? The numbers were hugely up this year until the Trump sitaution got going..

    I checked their website, but I can't easily figure out what they mean by "compared to the previous period." But what I get from it is that they saw an increase.

    On the other hand, I didn't get any clear statistical information from the media either. They say stuff like "vehicle crossings are down," but they (the media) are even less specific than CBP (US Customs & Border Protection, a US gov agency.)

    As I've said, our gov't says travelers to the US are down by 40% in March and that's a big travel month here due to 2 weeks off in schools during the March Break (Spring Break there)..

    Based on what I read on CBP's website, our border patrol counts the number of vehicles entering, but not the number of vehicles exiting.

    Does Canada count the number of vehicles exiting?

    I realized something while I was out driving yesterday: We're still in March. The Canadians don't fly south for the winter (hehe) until summer. It's too early to say "Canadians have stopped visiting the USA." Let's see what this summer brings.

    And according to NBC News, Canadian cars crossing to the USA in February was down 23% compared to February last year.

    I'll assume that NBC News got their information from the CBSA, because it aligns more with NBC's agenda ;)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Mar 26 01:04:00 2025
    It's the small minority of Elitists who want to run everyone else's
    lives that causes the problem.

    I'm noting that they control guys like me by force sometimes, but some people
    >n be controlled by a tv broadcast, without even being forced. At one point th
    >probably thought that the population of idiots was growing, but it's actually
    >rinking. (Hooray!)

    But the idiots get all the publicity.. B)

    In any case, there never seems to be a great shortage of idiots..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Wed Mar 26 01:48:00 2025
    I wonder how much of foreign news Trump is shown or bothers
    >> to look at himself? If nothing else it would show him who
    >> best to attack next..

    I wonder, too, if the difference isn't so much where the news is coming
    >from but whether or not they are using AI to create headlines or possibly
    >even article content. Here in the US, there have been some boo-boos lately
    >with news outlets using AI that even got one of them in legal hotwater when
    >the AI accidentally claimed that someone was involved in something they had
    >nothing to do with.

    Ha.. sort of unrelated but that reminded me that they were saying today
    that one virtual meeting where several of your gov't people were talking
    about imminent war plans for attacks on Yemen and someone messed up
    (twice) and accidentally included in the people who could view that a journalist, Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Atlantic.
    That was the second mistake. The first mistake was doing it in a
    messaging area that wasn't nearly well enough secured.

    Trumps people were fast to say that nothing classified was discussed,
    but apparently the attack was only 2 hours from happening and it
    mentioned where and when and what weaponry they would use so, not
    exactly what you want to leak out ahead of time.
    The 'Blunder' was reported, but not the content..

    There's speculation that's misdirection too, that Trump hopes we
    >> will vote for the party he claims he doesn't want in power here.

    Yeah, I see that some in other things he does... what if he is making them
    >angry so they do something he actually wants?

    Yes, it's been mentioned Trump tends to make you think he's going to
    do something huge and then, at the last minute, changes it to something
    less and you feel like you dodged a bullet but you really were just
    manipulated into doing what he really wanted and being happy with it.

    There is a lot of talk about minerals and resources, including water, that
    >you all have more of and that Trump would like more of. He supposedly said
    >that Canada has "too much water," for example.

    Considering the Great Lakes are between much of our lands there should
    be a lot of water available, but I'd imagine there are limits to how
    much you can pump from them. China wanted to buy billions of gallons
    of water from us a while back too but that didn't happen..

    Numbers vary widely from source to source but they all say that Canada
    has at least slightly more fresh water than the USA, although a much
    smaller population to use it obviously. Other sources said Canada has
    up to 20% of the world's fresh water and the USA has 7%.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wed Mar 26 02:03:00 2025
    The previous president (President Biden) did a lot of (unprecedented) damage
    >our economy. If it weren't for him and the Democrats who wanted to waste tril
    >ns of dollars, then Trump wouldn't be acting so tough with Canada. It's just
    >t our country needs to be saved, and Trump is willing to step on other countr
    >' backs to get us back up to par.

    You'd know about that better than I.. It just seems Trump is trying to do things so quickly that he will do major damage to both our economies and
    your global reputation rather than taking things a little slower to repair
    the damage.

    People often set up hotels and entertainments in advance, often with
    a deposit, and the people who had already set those up are having those things cancelled.

    That might be true, but how could the media actually prove this trend? Would
    >els actually show them their reservation databases?

    The places that set that stuff up would see cancellation numbers and see
    how many people are arranging for trips compared to last year.

    In any case, the total numbers of Canadians crossing the border is
    easily checked since it is documented at the border. There have been
    too many complaints from American businesses for this to be a gov't
    conspiracy in Canada alone.

    Big changes need to be made here in the USA in order for us to not go bankrup
    >s a country. Not everything is a downhill ride, and sacrifices need to be mad
    >The media is enjoying the opportunity to highlight the inconveniences but the
    >e not taking the time to explain the benefits.

    I think the problem there might be the most immediate benefits might
    go to what multi-millionaires pay in taxes and if the USA loses that
    estimated 1.9 million jobs, how long would it take to build up the
    businesses in the country to replace those jobs and then create extra
    jobs as a final benefit? And all the time this is going on, almost
    everything you buy will cost you more..

    BUT.. as time goes on, I am really starting to think it is 90% bluff
    and bluster and it won't happen, or at least be MUCH reduced from
    what he keeps threatening. Even the stock markets are greatly recovered
    from the initial losses, at least ours is..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Wed Mar 26 02:16:00 2025
    I've started reading cbc.ca and gone back to BBC News. Nothing against
    > American news sources, but reporting news of an administration that
    > claims to be an existential threat to a newsmaking business means that
    > they're compromised.

    There seems to be a surprising amount of control over the news there.

    Something we rarely seem to see here are politicians attacking news
    stories. They may come out and try to defend against negative news
    about them but blame it on inaccuracy rather than on 'lying reporters'.

    The odd negative thing there seems to get Trump looking for ways
    to shut down news services, or at least fire reporters.. Sort of
    like what he wants to do with Judges that rule against him.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Wed Mar 26 02:23:00 2025
    Trump did say "vote for me and you won't ever need to vote again".

    Because the country might not survive ??

    Or that TPTB will continue to erode electronic voting systems and the
    >election process?

    Yes.. everyone wants is simpler but simpler is usually easier to
    manipulate. Here I can vote online without leaving the house.
    They mail you a pin number that can only be used once..

    Funny news story the last couple of days. Poilierve (Conservative)
    is trying to defend himself over discoveries that India manipulated
    the vote to get him elected as head of his party.

    In the end he won by enough that they figure the nembers wouldn't
    have changed enough to do anything, but we constantly have people
    from China and India and Russia trying to get people in power here
    because they think it will benefit them somehow..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Wed Mar 26 08:11:00 2025
    Ha.. sort of unrelated but that reminded me that they were saying today
    that one virtual meeting where several of your gov't people were talking about imminent war plans for attacks on Yemen and someone messed up
    (twice) and accidentally included in the people who could view that a journalist, Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Atlantic.
    That was the second mistake. The first mistake was doing it in a
    messaging area that wasn't nearly well enough secured.

    Yeah, that has been all over the place here, too. What a bunch of
    dumbasses.

    Trumps people were fast to say that nothing classified was discussed,
    but apparently the attack was only 2 hours from happening and it
    mentioned where and when and what weaponry they would use so, not
    exactly what you want to leak out ahead of time.
    The 'Blunder' was reported, but not the content..

    There have been plenty of past warnings that Signal is insecure and that
    Russia hacks it to keep track of "people of interest" so one must wonder
    why they would use it to plan an attack... or anything else official.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Wed Mar 26 08:34:00 2025
    You'd know about that better than I.. It just seems Trump is trying to do things so quickly that he will do major damage to both our economies and
    your global reputation rather than taking things a little slower to repair the damage.

    DOGE is making the same mistake. Most of the things they have found, and terminated, are ultimately being re-established because the manner in which they handled things was illegal.

    IMHO, they are trying to throw poo against the wall and see what sticks
    before their four years are up.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Wed Mar 26 08:33:00 2025
    Yes.. everyone wants is simpler but simpler is usually easier to
    manipulate. Here I can vote online without leaving the house.
    They mail you a pin number that can only be used once..

    Funny news story the last couple of days. Poilierve (Conservative)
    is trying to defend himself over discoveries that India manipulated
    the vote to get him elected as head of his party.

    In the end he won by enough that they figure the nembers wouldn't
    have changed enough to do anything, but we constantly have people
    from China and India and Russia trying to get people in power here
    because they think it will benefit them somehow..

    That is sort of the thing we are fighting here. There are groups that want
    to make voting so easy but don't want to hear that "easy" opens things up
    to manipulation.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Wed Mar 26 13:56:52 2025
    That might be true, but how could the media actually prove this trend?
    >els actually show them their reservation databases?

    The places that set that stuff up would see cancellation numbers and see how many people are arranging for trips compared to last year.

    That's what I mean; only hotels could verify this information, but I haven't heard it from them. I suspect that even if it were true that reservations are down, the hotels wouldn't benefit from spreading that kind of news, so they wouldn't. It's not wise to tell masses of people that "my industry is not doing
    good because now is a bad time to visit my establishment." (There's no business sense in making an announcement like that.)

    But the media and certain members of both of our governments would enjoy making statements like that.

    >The media is enjoying the opportunity to highlight the inconveniences b
    >the
    >e not taking the time to explain the benefits.

    I think the problem there might be the most immediate benefits might
    go to what multi-millionaires pay in taxes and if the USA loses that estimated 1.9 million jobs, how long would it take to build up the businesses in the country to replace those jobs and then create extra
    jobs as a final benefit? And all the time this is going on, almost everything you buy will cost you more..

    I don't know what you mean by "the most immediate benefits might go to what multi-millionaires pay in taxes." What do you mean?

    Also, I don't understand how losing 1.9 million jobs will make prices go up. What's the scenario that makes that possible?

    Not that I feel good about people losing their jobs, but it's just that there's such a thing as too much bureaucracy here in the states, like the department of transgender animal surgeries for example. The chief executive of that department needs to go get a job at McDonald's so he/she/it can contribute to society in a more meaningful way.

    BUT.. as time goes on, I am really starting to think it is 90% bluff
    and bluster and it won't happen, or at least be MUCH reduced from
    what he keeps threatening. Even the stock markets are greatly recovered from the initial losses, at least ours is..

    I like your outlook on things. I agree with you on this conclusion.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Thu Mar 27 02:01:00 2025
    I'm sure it's not that cut and dried. Poilierve is actually saying in
    ads that Carney is too weak and will cave in to what Trump wants, but
    P's policies are more like Trumps I think so it's hard to say if that
    means they will get along better or worse, although Trump seems to be hoping Carney gets in.

    Carney will cave, but P will negotiate. I don't think Trump cares who gets i
    > He will deal with whoever. The only real choice is whether Canada wants Tru
    >to run Canada or for Canada to run Canada.

    Yes, it would be interesting to watch if the stakes were not so high.

    Until a new Prime Minister is voted in at the end of April it's hard
    for them to do anything serious..

    After sounding like he was backing off, Trump just put a 25% Tariff
    on all vehicles and auto parts coming from Canada. I can't see this
    going through, the car companies in the USA letting it. It would
    cost thousands of jobs in both countries and raise the cost of a
    new car in the USA by up to $12,000 they say. (Someone else said
    the average would 'only' be $6000).

    But Canada sells $55 million A DAY in automotive 'goods' to the USA
    so his Tariff will be costing Americans Almost $14 million a day in
    increased costs, all that money just going into Trumps war chest..

    (Those dollars might have been Canadian since it was on our news.)
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Thu Mar 27 01:26:00 2025
    Canada has had some really high tariffs on some U.S. goods for a while now.
    >Trump is just doing a "what's good for the goose..." with countries like
    >Canada. The goal is to stop these other counties from leeching off the U.S.

    Those traiffs were nothing like what Trump claims. Under the agreements
    that Trump worked out the last time he was in power, Canada was allowed
    to put 5% to 7% tariffs on dairy and eggs because the American gov't
    subsidizes their farmers to keep the prices of those things low.

    And Trump agreed to a quota of the maximum amount of that stuff that
    could be sold in Canada, and the quoted super high tariffs were Agreed
    to as a punishment for breaking the agreement.

    But Trump's memory is suspect when it goes against what he wants
    to do now. It'd why he keeps breaking the terms of the last free
    trade agreement he worked out with Canada and Mexico.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Mar 27 01:44:00 2025
    As I've said, our gov't says travelers to the US are down by 40% in March and that's a big travel month here due to 2 weeks off in schools during
    the March Break (Spring Break there)..

    Based on what I read on CBP's website, our border patrol counts the number
    >of vehicles entering, but not the number of vehicles exiting.

    Does Canada count the number of vehicles exiting?

    Hmm.. It is Years since I crossed the border so I can't say for sure.
    I think counts are taken of the cars crossing the bridge or going
    through the tunnel, and the USA is the only place they can be going
    if they don't get refused entry.

    I realized something while I was out driving yesterday: We're still in March.
    >e Canadians don't fly south for the winter (hehe) until summer. It's too earl
    >o say "Canadians have stopped visiting the USA." Let's see what this summer b
    >gs.

    March break is a 2 week holiday when the weather is often still pretty
    cold here, but usually too wet for winter sports, so a lot of people
    often travel to the USA to visit various places.

    And according to NBC News, Canadian cars crossing to the USA in February was down 23% compared to February last year.

    I'll assume that NBC News got their information from the CBSA, because it ali
    > more with NBC's agenda ;)

    I purposely chose an American station for that info. The numbers I keep
    seeing up here are 40% fewer travelers or a total of 500,000 fewer..
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Thu Mar 27 07:15:00 2025
    Hmm.. It is Years since I crossed the border so I can't say for sure.
    I think counts are taken of the cars crossing the bridge or going
    through the tunnel, and the USA is the only place they can be going
    if they don't get refused entry.

    I spend most of the summer near the Thousand Islands Bridge, and there's always a lot of Canadian cars driving around. I'll be shocked if there's an absence of them this summer. Don't a lot of them like to flock to South Carolina and/or Florida?

    March break is a 2 week holiday when the weather is often still pretty cold here, but usually too wet for winter sports, so a lot of people
    often travel to the USA to visit various places.

    I didn't know that until now. But who feels like taking a long road trip in March? Not me! (I realize that this year it's been a mild March but you know how bad they can be.)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Mar 27 09:26:00 2025
    And Trump agreed to a quota of the maximum amount of that stuff that
    could be sold in Canada, and the quoted super high tariffs were Agreed
    to as a punishment for breaking the agreement.

    But Trump's memory is suspect when it goes against what he wants
    to do now. It'd why he keeps breaking the terms of the last free
    trade agreement he worked out with Canada and Mexico.

    So in other words, "because of the rules I am breaking now, Canada could put 250% tariffs on things, per the agreement that I agreed to when I was
    President before." Nice (not!).


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Mar 27 09:31:00 2025
    Does Canada count the number of vehicles exiting?

    Per my experience crossing the border to and from Canada in 2017, it would
    be the USA that most likely counts the cars crossing the border from
    Canada, and vise-versa.

    Going into Canada at Grand Portage/Pigeon River, I didn't encounter any US agents. Coming out of Canada, at Sarnia/Port Huron, I didn't encounter any Canadian agents.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Mike Powell on Thu Mar 27 08:10:50 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to ROB MCCART <=-

    There have been plenty of past warnings that Signal is insecure and
    that Russia hacks it to keep track of "people of interest" so one must wonder why they would use it to plan an attack... or anything else official.

    There was official notification NOT to use Signal for government
    business, and there's the Federal Records act that mandates that foreign agencies retain records. Setting automatic deletion of messages on a third-party, prohibited service on personal cell phones just adds to the
    mess.

    Then next question - what else are they talking about and disposing of
    messages on Signal? The fact that the group was called "houthi PC small
    group" makes me wonder if there's a larger group this spun off of?

    Project 2025 calls for the use of third-party, self-deleting messages
    services to circumvent data archiving laws.







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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Fri Mar 28 07:46:30 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    But Canada sells $55 million A DAY in automotive 'goods' to the USA
    so his Tariff will be costing Americans Almost $14 million a day in increased costs, all that money just going into Trumps war chest..

    It only costs us if we buy Canadian products. Since they are more expensive, we don't. So the tariffs cost Canada, not the U.S.

    You need to get out of the thinking that people don't have motivations. If prices rise, people will change their spending habits, not just keep buying.


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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Mar 28 07:46:30 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    I spend most of the summer near the Thousand Islands Bridge, and
    there's always a lot of Canadian cars driving around.

    They are probably there to pick up some salad dressing. :)


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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Aaron Thomas on Thu Mar 27 19:55:00 2025
    Hello Aaron!

    Not that I feel good about people losing their jobs, but
    it's just that there's such a thing as too much
    bureaucracy here in the states, like the department of
    transgender animal surgeries for example.

    I believe said "transgender" during he speech to the WH a few
    weeks ago, but the correct term is "transgenic" and has nothing
    to do with sex changing animals.



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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Fri Mar 28 01:23:00 2025
    You'd know about that better than I.. It just seems Trump is trying to do
    >> things so quickly that he will do major damage to both our economies and
    >> your global reputation rather than taking things a little slower to repair
    >> the damage.

    DOGE is making the same mistake. Most of the things they have found, and
    >terminated, are ultimately being re-established because the manner in which
    >they handled things was illegal.

    IMHO, they are trying to throw poo against the wall and see what sticks
    >before their four years are up.

    Yes, they should know by now that the G and E in DOGE never get along.. B)

    I think the biggest problem is Trump pulling things out of a hat and
    saying he will do them without looking into if it's even possible
    without doing serious damage to your economy, forget other countries.

    The newest of that is Trump wants the Tariffs on all cars from all
    other countries coming into the USA.. That's not brand new but when
    he saw that countries (like Canada) were going to make deals with other
    car companies to get around buying as much from the USA, he now says
    that any country that does anything that will hurt the US economy
    will have their tariffs greatly increased.. So, nothing like wanting
    to have your cake and eat it too..

    We may hurt you but if you hurt us back we will hurt you more..
    Plain Bullying, but not a huge surprise.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Fri Mar 28 01:32:00 2025
    Thinking back, I actually don't think that Trump was even the first one to
    >blame "lying reporters." He is probably the most likely to actually phrase
    >it that way, but IIRC, Obama may have done it, Hillary Clinton certainly
    >did, and Biden (after 2016 Trump, I know) also did at times.

    I'd imagine most politicians at times hate certain things that make the
    news, true or not. Part of the life I guess. Maybe it just seemed
    a bigger deal in Canada because we (by reputation) tend to be a little
    more polite about things like that.. Explain things without calling
    people names.

    Funny, I was just reading a book and they were talking about people
    from few different countries and they mentioned that you can always
    tell a Canadian because they are always polite and will hold a door
    open for someone still 50 feet from the door..

    That may be a slight exaggeraton but we do see a lot of it. It's
    laughingly common for us to appologize to someone who ran into us
    and more than once when watching traffic and seeing some driver not
    slow down to let someone trying to enter a lane get in front of them
    I've had someone near me say, Must be an American tourist.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Fri Mar 28 01:58:00 2025
    The places that set that stuff up would see cancellation numbers and see how many people are arranging for trips compared to last year.

    That's what I mean; only hotels could verify this information, but I haven't
    >rd it from them. I suspect that even if it were true that reservations are do
    > the hotels wouldn't benefit from spreading that kind of news, so they wouldn

    That's probably why we only hear it from the people who set up reservations
    for travellers, maybe not from the hotels themselves.

    Okay, how about this.. Just today one of our small more touristy airlines
    has closed down two regular runs that go to the USA because they said
    that the number of Canadians flying to the USA compared to last year is
    down by 320,000 seats. (That would be a total, not just their flights.)

    And Canadian tourist places are going crazy trying to keep up with
    all the Canadians now travelling in Canada instead of heading south.

    I think the problem there might be the most immediate benefits might
    go to what multi-millionaires pay in taxes and if the USA loses that estimated 1.9 million jobs, how long would it take to build up the businesses in the country to replace those jobs and then create extra
    jobs as a final benefit? And all the time this is going on, almost everything you buy will cost you more..

    I don't know what you mean by "the most immediate benefits might go to what m
    >i-millionaires pay in taxes." What do you mean?

    They are saying that most of the Traiff money collected will be used
    to lower the taxes for richer people there. I'm not sure where they
    got that information since Trump would definitely want to hide it from
    the average person but, unlike here, I haven't heard anything from
    Trump about using all that Tariff income to subsidize ordinary people
    down there hurt by the higher prices or job losses. Here they say they
    will use the money to highly subsidize unemloyment services and shore
    up companies losing business.

    Also, I don't understand how losing 1.9 million jobs will make prices go up.
    >What's the scenario that makes that possible?

    The problem with compound sentences. B)

    Prices will go up so people will buy less and companies will possibly
    be forced to reduce their work force or even close down because of that.

    BUT.. as time goes on, I am really starting to think it is 90% bluff
    and bluster and it won't happen, or at least be MUCH reduced from
    what he keeps threatening. Even the stock markets are greatly recovered from the initial losses, at least ours is..

    I like your outlook on things. I agree with you on this conclusion.

    It seems every time things start to settle down a bit Trump comes
    up with something new to panic the world. Maybe he just likes
    being the center of attention and is willing to say things that
    can do damage to others, and even your country, to maintain that.
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Fri Mar 28 09:23:00 2025
    DOGE is making the same mistake. Most of the things they have found, and terminated, are ultimately being re-established because the manner in which they handled things was illegal.
    Or they're inflating numbers by claiming total program costs versus
    actuals. It's like me closing down a home equity line of credit and
    claiming that I saved $100K by doing so (even if I'd only charged a
    fraction of that...)

    Yes, that, too!

    IMHO, they are trying to throw poo against the wall and see what sticks before their four years are up.
    Or, they're acting like people that know they don't need to get
    re-elected again?

    Some are suggesting that. Trump supposedly cannot be elected again, but
    there are other Republicans (like Vance and Rubio) who probably don't want to see their reputations get tainted that much.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Fri Mar 28 09:29:00 2025
    There have been plenty of past warnings that Signal is insecure and
    that Russia hacks it to keep track of "people of interest" so one must wonder why they would use it to plan an attack... or anything else official.

    There was official notification NOT to use Signal for government
    business, and there's the Federal Records act that mandates that foreign agencies retain records. Setting automatic deletion of messages on a third-party, prohibited service on personal cell phones just adds to the mess.

    IIRC, some folks in "Intelligence" got fired shortly after this admin took
    over because they had been using a "third party" communication avenue
    (maybe Signal or another) to discuss government business -- and other
    things.

    Very ironic.

    Then next question - what else are they talking about and disposing of messages on Signal? The fact that the group was called "houthi PC small group" makes me wonder if there's a larger group this spun off of?

    I also wonder all of this. What have they been using it for, and who was
    in the "large group"?

    Project 2025 calls for the use of third-party, self-deleting messages services to circumvent data archiving laws.

    I have heard this but not bothered to verify myself. While that could be
    proof that they are following the project, it could also be that they've
    picked out some ideas from it. Either way, it is not a good thing.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Fri Mar 28 09:39:00 2025
    I'd imagine most politicians at times hate certain things that make the
    news, true or not. Part of the life I guess. Maybe it just seemed
    a bigger deal in Canada because we (by reputation) tend to be a little
    more polite about things like that.. Explain things without calling
    people names.

    Although I see this changing (for the worse), I still believe that most Americans don't default to name calling like our politicians do. :(


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Dr. What on Fri Mar 28 12:20:08 2025
    I spend most of the summer near the Thousand Islands Bridge, and there's always a lot of Canadian cars driving around.

    They are probably there to pick up some salad dressing. :)

    It's good stuff! Most restaurants don't have it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to August Abolins on Fri Mar 28 12:24:39 2025
    Not that I feel good about people losing their jobs, but
    it's just that there's such a thing as too much
    bureaucracy here in the states, like the department of
    transgender animal surgeries for example.

    I believe said "transgender" during he speech to the WH a few
    weeks ago, but the correct term is "transgenic" and has nothing
    to do with sex changing animals.

    You might be right, but either way, it's a human alteration of animals. Why do that?

    If God wanted transgenic animals, then he'd do it himself. Humans have no business doing that kind of stuff.

    It's even worse than whoever goes around researching "things that black people are more likely to suffer from than non-blacks."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Fri Mar 28 12:41:49 2025
    Okay, how about this.. Just today one of our small more touristy airlines has closed down two regular runs that go to the USA because they said
    that the number of Canadians flying to the USA compared to last year is down by 320,000 seats. (That would be a total, not just their flights.)

    It could be true, but like I said about the other scenario, it's only March. Canadians like to come down in the summer to hit the beaches and the other southern tourist attractions (Disney, Universal Studiios, that kind of stuff.)

    Here in the states, it's not uncommon for an airline to cancel an unpopular route.

    And Canadian tourist places are going crazy trying to keep up with
    all the Canadians now travelling in Canada instead of heading south.

    But how could so many Canadians be following the media's directions so blindly? Everything the media says about Trump is a "warning," yet they never warned us about Biden. The should have warned "Biden could let tens of millions of illegal immigrants in" or "Biden could tank the stock market" or "Biden could let Russia attack Ukraine" or "Biden could make several trillion dollars disappear."

    But we got no warnings about any of that, and we reacted to those things when they actually happened. The Americans who are falling for these jokes are going to be pleasantly surprised. I have tons of faith in Trump.

    >i-millionaires pay in taxes." What do you mean?

    They are saying that most of the Traiff money collected will be used
    to lower the taxes for richer people there. I'm not sure where they
    got that information since Trump would definitely want to hide it from
    the average person but, unlike here, I haven't heard anything from
    Trump about using all that Tariff income to subsidize ordinary people
    down there hurt by the higher prices or job losses. Here they say they will use the money to highly subsidize unemloyment services and shore
    up companies losing business.

    For now, it's all squawkery. "Trump's hoarding the money so he can help rich people with it." I don't buy that. The world's richest people are the ones who are fueling all this drama.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Mar 29 01:09:00 2025
    I spend most of the summer near the Thousand Islands Bridge, and there's alwa
    >a lot of Canadian cars driving around. I'll be shocked if there's an absence
    >them this summer. Don't a lot of them like to flock to South Carolina and/or
    >rida?

    I'd think there would be a lot more flocking to the southern states in
    the winter, although there are things of interest there year round.
    I remember taking a motorcycle trip to Florida in July since my parents
    had a place there I could use for free. It was funny the morning after
    a Hotel stop, someone saw the Canadian plates and asked where we were
    headed (my then wife and I). I think this was in Northern Georgia and
    when I said Florida he laughed and said, What, it isn't hot enough for
    you here??.. It was about 9 AM and 105f at the time.. B)

    I didn't know that until now. But who feels like taking a long road trip in M
    >h? Not me! (I realize that this year it's been a mild March but you know how
    > they can be.)

    We had some record warm days earlier in March but at the moment Most nights
    and more than a few days are dropping below freezing and my long range
    weather shows snow on 4 of the next 6 days so the mild March didn't take..
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Sat Mar 29 07:54:24 2025
    headed (my then wife and I). I think this was in Northern Georgia and
    when I said Florida he laughed and said, What, it isn't hot enough for
    you here??.. It was about 9 AM and 105f at the time.. B)

    I like Georgia. People are friendly there. But Florida has more tourist attractions.

    I know some people from here (New York) who stay in Florida for the winter, then they come back here in the spring. These are people who own winter homes down there (or people who haul campers.) It would blow my mind if Canadians would stop doing that just because of something the media said. Can you imagine them putting their getaway homes up for sale over it?

    We had some record warm days earlier in March but at the moment Most nights and more than a few days are dropping below freezing and my long range weather shows snow on 4 of the next 6 days so the mild March
    didn't take.. ---

    That's weird. Are you from the northern part of Ontario? It's like 70 here in Bingamton NY today.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Mar 29 10:56:51 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    It could be true, but like I said about the other scenario, it's only March. Canadians like to come down in the summer to hit the beaches and the other southern tourist attractions (Disney, Universal Studiios,
    that kind of stuff.)

    They used to be crazy about hot weather. I managed Northern Telecom
    phone systems in a former life, and their user group meetings were
    always in July, in the most miserably hot places - Nashville, Phoenix,
    Long Beach, Tampa...

    I suppose now they'll fly over the US and head to Mexico. I hear San
    Miguel De Allende is wonderful that time of year...

    $444 nonstop from Toronto to Leon - that's cheap. Cheaper still once
    you're there.



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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Sun Mar 30 01:01:00 2025
    But Canada sells $55 million A DAY in automotive 'goods' to the USA
    so his Tariff will be costing Americans Almost $14 million a day in increased costs, all that money just going into Trumps war chest..

    It only costs us if we buy Canadian products. Since they are more expensive,
    >we don't. So the tariffs cost Canada, not the U.S.

    You need to get out of the thinking that people don't have motivations. If
    >prices rise, people will change their spending habits, not just keep buying.

    Canada makes 2 million cars a year and has 5 plants making American
    cars, although one or two of the GM plants may not make full cars,
    but, are you saying you guys will just stop buying those models of
    American cars? Plus, if the tariff is on Parts, some American built
    cars are made with more than 50% parts coming from Canada, so that
    will raise the price of a lot of cars built in the USA as well..

    I don't see this happening though. Your auto makers know they can't
    suddenly change things to eliminate buying from Canada, it would
    take years to build plants to replace ours here and that is not
    good when they are already bleeding auto sales to asian companies
    so they will raise hell with Trump. Our auto industries, and some
    others, are too dependant on each other to function independantly
    without it taking years and costing Billions of dollars and also
    having to train hundreds of people to do the jobs.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Mar 30 01:09:00 2025
    I'd imagine most politicians at times hate certain things that make the
    >> news, true or not. Part of the life I guess. Maybe it just seemed
    >> a bigger deal in Canada because we (by reputation) tend to be a little
    >> more polite about things like that.. Explain things without calling
    >> people names.

    Although I see this changing (for the worse), I still believe that most
    >Americans don't default to name calling like our politicians do. :(


    This is true, usually only the worst of the people make the news, and
    they don't even have to be politicians (but it helps).. B)
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Mar 30 01:20:00 2025
    I believe said "transgender" during he speech to the WH a few
    weeks ago, but the correct term is "transgenic" and has nothing
    to do with sex changing animals.

    You might be right, but either way, it's a human alteration of animals.
    >Why do that?

    The idea is they can test drugs and such on altered animals to see how
    those treatments might work on humans without doing those experiments
    on humans.

    The morality of that is maybe another discussion. Is a Human life worth
    more than a mouse's life? Just don't ask the mice.. B)

    Another form of that is the experiments modifying pigs so we can get
    Hearts and kidneys and such from them for transplants since there are
    a lot more people needing organs than there are organs available..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Mar 30 01:38:00 2025
    And Canadian tourist places are going crazy trying to keep up with
    all the Canadians now travelling in Canada instead of heading south.

    But how could so many Canadians be following the media's directions so blindl
    >Everything the media says about Trump is a "warning," yet they never warned u
    >bout Biden.

    But that's not quite the same thing. Biden may have been creating havoc
    for you guys, but it was all within your country. This is to us a
    financial attack against us by another country which would cause
    immediate damage in lost jobs and higher costs of things.

    Some of those tariffs are already on so it's not all just warnings.
    We already have had some direct layoffs due to them.
    Plus when things are unstable companies stop investing money in
    expansion and hesitate to take on big job contracts when they don't
    know what materials might be costing them a few months from now. Your
    economy stops growing, and may even shrink just due to the threats.

    The Americans who are falling for these jokes are going
    >to be pleasantly surprised. I have tons of faith in Trump.

    If much of it ever goes through I guess we will see, but the joking
    around is already costing both of our countries Billions of dollars.

    For now, it's all squawkery. "Trump's hoarding the money so he can help rich
    >ple with it." I don't buy that. The world's richest people are the ones who a
    >fueling all this drama.

    They had an American on our news tonight saying that Elon Musk is
    Trump's co-president, and that he spent $200 Million helping get
    Trump elected. I didn't get more details than those basics but,
    if true, I don't imagine Musk did it out of his love of America.
    He would be expecting to get a lot more than his investment back.

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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Sun Mar 30 09:46:55 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    but, are you saying you guys will just stop buying those models of American cars?

    It means that the cost of cars that use those parts goes up. Meaning fewer people buy them, or smaller profit margin for GM. That makes GM move those plants back to the U.S.

    Loss: Canada. Gain: U.S.

    And, yes, some companies have already started to do that.

    I don't see this happening though. Your auto makers know they can't suddenly change things to eliminate buying from Canada,

    You are correct. But it will take much less time than "years".

    Especially with Trump in power eliminating useless regulations. And states clamoring for those new jobs and factories.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Mar 30 13:29:02 2025
    They used to be crazy about hot weather. I managed Northern Telecom
    phone systems in a former life, and their user group meetings were
    always in July, in the most miserably hot places - Nashville, Phoenix, Long Beach, Tampa...

    I suppose now they'll fly over the US and head to Mexico. I hear San Miguel De Allende is wonderful that time of year...

    Well, why'd you elect Trump then? You're to blame for this! :)

    I don't think the majority of Canadians are insane, and I don't think they will let psychic-predictions control their lives. The media doesn't speak for people, and I haven't seen or heard any actual Canadians vow to boycott the USA.

    I suppose now they'll fly over the US and head to Mexico. I hear San Miguel De Allende is wonderful that time of year...

    Right. Mexico seems like a safe place to conduct business meetings.

    $444 nonstop from Toronto to Leon - that's cheap. Cheaper still once you're there.

    The woke companies would probably do it. They don't mind gambling with other peoples' lives.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Sun Mar 30 13:48:55 2025
    The morality of that is maybe another discussion. Is a Human life worth more than a mouse's life? Just don't ask the mice.. B)

    Another form of that is the experiments modifying pigs so we can get Hearts and kidneys and such from them for transplants since there are
    a lot more people needing organs than there are organs available..

    It needs a lot more oversight. The taxpayers here never knew about the bulk of this stuff until it was too late. Here's a summary of how things went down:

    "We killed hundreds of beagle pups with a virus that we made, a similar virus escaped from one of our laboratories, and now our pals at Pfizer will be injecting you with a cell-altering vaccine, and if you say no, our pals in the government will fire you and it will permanently tarnish your resume."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Sun Mar 30 13:55:55 2025
    Some of those tariffs are already on so it's not all just warnings.
    We already have had some direct layoffs due to them.
    Plus when things are unstable companies stop investing money in
    expansion and hesitate to take on big job contracts when they don't
    know what materials might be costing them a few months from now. Your economy stops growing, and may even shrink just due to the threats.

    This should serve as a wake-up call for Canadians to avoid globalism. Dependency on other countries is a bad idea, especially on a country like the USA that's been going through unprecedented changes in recent years.

    It should also serve as a wake-up call for Americans, but our voters in the northeast and along the west coast are very impermeable.

    They had an American on our news tonight saying that Elon Musk is
    Trump's co-president, and that he spent $200 Million helping get
    Trump elected. I didn't get more details than those basics but,
    if true, I don't imagine Musk did it out of his love of America.
    He would be expecting to get a lot more than his investment back.

    The media has indicated that Elon Musk helped Trump's campaign, but I have not seen any proof of that. I went to 2 of Trump's rallies last summer and I didn't see Elon Musk there and his name was never mentioned.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sun Mar 30 17:28:00 2025
    "We killed hundreds of beagle pups with a virus that we made, a similar virus escaped from one of our laboratories, and now our pals at Pfizer will be injecting you with a cell-altering vaccine, and if you say no, our pals in the
    government will fire you and it will permanently tarnish your resume."

    The dogs were not killed by COVID. They were supposedly killed by sand
    flies. The story came out during COVID to darken Fauci's reputation, but
    it was not a COVID experiment.


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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Mar 31 07:14:01 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    Right. Mexico seems like a safe place to conduct business meetings.

    If you have enough money, you can buy the needed security.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Mon Mar 31 04:33:11 2025
    "We killed hundreds of beagle pups with a virus that we made, a similar escaped from one of our laboratories, and now our pals at Pfizer will be injecting you with a cell-altering vaccine, and if you say no, our pals the
    government will fire you and it will permanently tarnish your resume."

    The dogs were not killed by COVID. They were supposedly killed by sand flies. The story came out during COVID to darken Fauci's reputation, but it was not a COVID experiment.

    Are you sure? I think the dogs were euthanized after being intentionally attacked by insects. Not killed by covid or by the insects themselves.

    But what difference does it make how the dogs were killed? They were killed for "science." And they died in vain.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Mar 31 09:28:00 2025
    The dogs were not killed by COVID. They were supposedly killed by sand flies. The story came out during COVID to darken Fauci's reputation,
    ut
    it was not a COVID experiment.

    Are you sure? I think the dogs were euthanized after being intentionally attacked by insects. Not killed by covid or by the insects themselves.

    That could be.

    But what difference does it make how the dogs were killed? They were killed
    o
    "science." And they died in vain.

    The difference is that one of us (not me!) linked them as an example in a
    story about mutating the COVID virus. ;)

    Although I do not condone the methods, that experiment was not funded by Fauci's organization, NIAID. Snopes and FactCheck.org both found that claim
    to be false. Also, the dogs had to be used for that one because Beagles are the animals that carry the parasite that the experiment was about.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Mon Mar 31 14:41:32 2025
    But what difference does it make how the dogs were killed? They were kil
    o
    "science." And they died in vain.

    The difference is that one of us (not me!) linked them as an example in a story about mutating the COVID virus. ;)

    I don't have all the facts straight, but I was under the impression that Fauci was conducting virology research with SARS viruses, and that the mosquitoes (flies?) were carriers of one of the mutated SARS viruses, and that the beagle pups were infected with the mutated SARS virus to test the contagiousness of it.

    Although I do not condone the methods, that experiment was not funded by Fauci's organization, NIAID. Snopes and FactCheck.org both found that claim to be false. Also, the dogs had to be used for that one because Beagles are the animals that carry the parasite that the experiment was about.

    ...but I'm hearing that parasites had something to do with all this? lol

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Mar 31 15:18:00 2025
    I like Georgia. People are friendly there. But Florida has more tourist attra
    >ons.

    I stayed in a condo area so there were a lot of people there from the
    Northern USA and Canada, but I went into the bigger cities for shopping
    and entertainment so I saw a good variety of people, very few who I
    would ever complain about.

    It would blow my mind if Canadians would stop doing that just
    > because of something the media said. Can you imagine them putting
    > their getaway homes up for sale over it?

    It seems to have made a big impact on Tourists at the moment. I haven't
    heard much about people owning property down there.

    We had some record warm days earlier in March but at the moment Most
    nights and more than a few days are dropping below freezing and my long range weather shows snow on 4 of the next 6 days so the mild March
    didn't take.. ---

    That's weird. Are you from the northern part of Ontario? It's like 70 here in
    >ngamton NY today.

    I'm a couple of hundred miles north of Toronto so I can usually expect
    a little colder weather here, maybe 10f difference depending on the
    day and weather system movements. But as I mentioned elsewhere I am
    just back from having lost my power for 27 hours due to freezing rain
    damage, widespread with over 350,000 households still without power,
    but if I'd been 20 or 30 miles further south, such as where my brother
    lives, I'd have gotten rain instead of freezing rain.
    Other times I may get snow instead of rain too.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Mon Mar 31 15:24:00 2025
    own winter homes down there (or people who haul campers.) It would blow
    my mind if Canadians would stop doing that just because of something
    the media said. Can you imagine them putting their getaway homes up for sale over it?

    I think they would do that over a campaign of escalated economic
    > conflict, disrespect from a trusted ally and continued threats of
    > annexation before a media backlash.

    Amen.. B)

    The best way to think about things is to reverse the situation.
    How would you react if another country were trying to take your
    country over and potentially trying to bankrupt you to force it?
    Would you still spend a lot of your hard earned money with them?

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Mon Mar 31 15:29:00 2025
    They used to be crazy about hot weather. I managed Northern Telecom
    >phone systems in a former life, and their user group meetings were
    >always in July, in the most miserably hot places - Nashville, Phoenix,
    >Long Beach, Tampa...

    I suppose now they'll fly over the US and head to Mexico. I hear San
    >Miguel De Allende is wonderful that time of year...

    They were talking up here on the news about a Lot of people who cancelled vacations in the USA and were going to Mexico instead, as well as a lot
    of other places too of course, or staying in Canada..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 1 01:13:00 2025
    I don't think the majority of Canadians are insane, and I don't think they wi
    >let psychic-predictions control their lives. The media doesn't speak for peop
    > and I haven't seen or heard any actual Canadians vow to boycott the USA.

    You think they'd allow things like that on your news stations?
    That would make Trump look bad.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 1 01:42:00 2025
    "We killed hundreds of beagle pups with a virus that we made, a similar virus
    >caped from one of our laboratories, and now our pals at Pfizer will be inject
    > you with a cell-altering vaccine, and if you say no, our pals in the governm
    > will fire you and it will permanently tarnish your resume."

    I think that Covid was a lot like Y2K.. Everyone was in a panic over
    the year 2000 hitting our computers so we spent billions of dollars
    to prevent it, and 'that was a total waste because it never happend'..

    Well Duh!.. We made sure it wouldn't happen, that's why it didn't..

    The arguments over Covid and vaccines can be debated forever but
    millions died before the vaccines came out and Covid, like all
    clever viruses, has slowly evolved to be somewhat less dangerous
    because it's suicide for an organism to kill the very thing it
    lives in and relies on for reproduction.

    Natures way..

    As I say, people can argue left and right but from my own personal
    experience virtually all of my relatives got the Covid vaccines
    plus all of the boosters to cover it changing, and none of them who
    got the vaccines ever got Covid.. But one family group who worried
    about the vaccine and refused to get it ended up having Covid either
    3 or 4 times as the Covid mutated, often putting these fairly young
    people (under 40 and kids) in bed for days at a time. No way to know
    if there was any permanent damage done to them by Covid or not.

    I've gotten all the recommended shots and have had no side effects
    and never caught Covid. None of my relatives ever had more than
    feeling a bit under the weather for a day or two after the vaccine
    and none caught Covid.

    No vaccine ever released had zero people who had a bad reaction to
    them, including deaths, not when you're talking millions of varied
    people, but the anti-vaxxers will make sure that those who do have
    a bad reaction possibly caused by the vaccine will make absolutely
    sure it gets, if not on the news, at least on all the conspiracy
    web sites and blogs..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 1 01:45:00 2025
    Plus when things are unstable companies stop investing money in
    expansion and hesitate to take on big job contracts when they don't
    know what materials might be costing them a few months from now. Your economy stops growing, and may even shrink just due to the threats.

    This should serve as a wake-up call for Canadians to avoid globalism. Depende
    > on other countries is a bad idea, especially on a country like the USA that'
    >een going through unprecedented changes in recent years.

    No 'modern' country can survive without buying things from other countries since none of us have everything required in the modern world, and often
    we don't have enough of many things that we do have.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Apr 1 08:04:00 2025
    I don't think the majority of Canadians are insane, and I don't think they wi
    >let psychic-predictions control their lives. The media doesn't speak for peop
    > and I haven't seen or heard any actual Canadians vow to boycott the USA.

    You think they'd allow things like that on your news stations?
    That would make Trump look bad.. B)

    I have seen it in the news here, which makes me think Aaron is not watching much news. ;)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Apr 1 08:09:00 2025
    I think that Covid was a lot like Y2K.. Everyone was in a panic over
    the year 2000 hitting our computers so we spent billions of dollars
    to prevent it, and 'that was a total waste because it never happend'..

    Well Duh!.. We made sure it wouldn't happen, that's why it didn't..

    Exactly.

    As I say, people can argue left and right but from my own personal
    experience virtually all of my relatives got the Covid vaccines
    plus all of the boosters to cover it changing, and none of them who
    got the vaccines ever got Covid.. But one family group who worried
    about the vaccine and refused to get it ended up having Covid either
    3 or 4 times as the Covid mutated, often putting these fairly young
    people (under 40 and kids) in bed for days at a time. No way to know
    if there was any permanent damage done to them by Covid or not.

    I've gotten all the recommended shots and have had no side effects
    and never caught Covid. None of my relatives ever had more than
    feeling a bit under the weather for a day or two after the vaccine
    and none caught Covid.

    My extended family had a slightly different experience. A couple of us
    stayed up to date on our shots *and* also continued to take the other precautions. Knock on wood, we still have not had it. The others got
    their shots, spent a lot more time belittling those who didn't, and also
    seemed to think the shots meant they could let their guard down. They did things like travel by plane and intentionally putting themselves into other social situations where distancing would not be observed or even possible.
    They all got COVID.

    I think the shots work, provided that you also stay smart about things.

    No vaccine ever released had zero people who had a bad reaction to
    them, including deaths, not when you're talking millions of varied
    people, but the anti-vaxxers will make sure that those who do have
    a bad reaction possibly caused by the vaccine will make absolutely
    sure it gets, if not on the news, at least on all the conspiracy
    web sites and blogs..

    Yep!


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Tue Apr 1 09:25:04 2025
    > and I haven't seen or heard any actual Canadians vow to boycott the US

    You think they'd allow things like that on your news stations?
    That would make Trump look bad.. B)

    Good one! :)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Tue Apr 1 09:54:50 2025
    The arguments over Covid and vaccines can be debated forever but
    millions died before the vaccines came out and Covid, like all
    clever viruses, has slowly evolved to be somewhat less dangerous
    because it's suicide for an organism to kill the very thing it
    lives in and relies on for reproduction.

    Natures way..

    But consider this: Covid-19 isn't "nature's way." Whether or not the strains floating around today are waning in potency is irrelevant. Covid-19 is almost certainly a man-made virus, and man-made or not, there are other man-made SARS viruses that are currently in development with scientists claiming to have achieved "100% mortality in human transgenic mice." (See below about GX_P2V)

    "SARS-CoV-2-related pangolin coronavirus GX_P2V(short_3UTR) can cause 100% mortality in human ACE2-transgenic mice, potentially attributable to late-stage brain infection. This underscores a spillover risk of GX_P2V into humans and provides a unique model for understanding the pathogenic mechanisms of SARS-CoV-2-related viruses."

    So yea, "covid-shmovid," but that's precisely what they want us to be saying right now.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Tue Apr 1 09:56:52 2025
    > on other countries is a bad idea, especially on a country like the USA
    > that'
    >een going through unprecedented changes in recent years.

    No 'modern' country can survive without buying things from other
    countries since none of us have everything required in the modern world, and often we don't have enough of many things that we do have.

    Modern isn't all it's cracked up to be. I'm trying to convince my wife that we need to disconnect ourselves (literally) from the electric company and start using a wood stove and a gas generator (and a lot less electric.)

    To me, the $300 electric bill is a wake up call.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Tue Apr 1 09:59:16 2025
    > and I haven't seen or heard any actual Canadians vow to boycott the

    You think they'd allow things like that on your news stations?
    That would make Trump look bad.. B)

    I have seen it in the news here, which makes me think Aaron is not watching much news. ;)

    I look at the news, and my brain translates it into something related, but way different from what David Muir actually said. I'm either a psychic, or I need to drink less coffee :)

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Rob Mccart on Tue Apr 1 09:57:39 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    They were talking up here on the news about a Lot of people who
    cancelled vacations in the USA and were going to Mexico instead, as
    well as a lot of other places too of course, or staying in Canada..

    Mexico and Canada pulling and end-run around the USA and helping each
    other out would be the perfect response to the USA's current
    neo-imperialist aims.

    On a similar note, Trump has made strides in world peace - just unintentionally. His tarriff warfare has gotten China, Korea and Japan
    talking about agreements on a unified response to tarriffs. When have
    they *ever* worked together?



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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 3 00:51:00 2025
    I haven't seen or heard any actual Canadians vow to boycott the USA.

    You think they'd allow things like that on your news stations?
    >> That would make Trump look bad.. B)

    I have seen it in the news here, which makes me think Aaron is not watching
    >much news. ;)

    I've noticed some people tend to only pay attention to the news that
    says what they want to hear, not that I'm suggesting.... B)
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 3 00:59:00 2025
    My extended family had a slightly different experience. A couple of us
    >stayed up to date on our shots *and* also continued to take the other
    >precautions. Knock on wood, we still have not had it. The others got
    >their shots, spent a lot more time belittling those who didn't, and also
    >seemed to think the shots meant they could let their guard down. They did
    >things like travel by plane and intentionally putting themselves into other
    >social situations where distancing would not be observed or even possible.
    >They all got COVID.

    Ouch.. Yes, some common sense (the least common of all senses?) goes
    a long way. The vaccines boost your immune system but don't make you
    totally immune to getting a disease, although if you do get it you
    often get a milder and shorter case of it..

    There's been so much talk (crap?) lately about how vaccines are
    bad for you, but now we have things like Measles and Polio coming
    back. On the news tonight they mentioned one small district that
    had checked the schools to make sure the kids all had the required
    vaccine shots, and they ended up telling over 1600 kids to go home
    and not come back until their shots were up to date.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Apr 3 01:36:00 2025
    millions died before the vaccines came out and Covid, like all
    clever viruses, has slowly evolved to be somewhat less dangerous
    because it's suicide for an organism to kill the very thing it
    lives in and relies on for reproduction. Natures way..

    But consider this: Covid-19 isn't "nature's way." Whether or not the strains
    >ating around today are waning in potency is irrelevant. Covid-19 is almost ce
    >inly a man-made virus

    I would agree that's probably correct. It appears to have been early
    work by the Chinese as a Bio-Weapon that escaped the lab.
    But, a virus is a virus and will still likely evolve as most viruses do.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thu Apr 3 01:45:00 2025
    Modern isn't all it's cracked up to be. I'm trying to convince my wife that w
    >eed to disconnect ourselves (literally) from the electric company and start u
    >g a wood stove and a gas generator (and a lot less electric.)

    Ha.. you are describing my life.. I'm still on the electric grid but
    I live in the woods in a very primitive way. I don't have running
    water in winter and only cold running water in summer. An outhouse.

    I have a friend I've known since high school and he brings people he
    knows up to visitme so he can show me off like a museum exhibit, the
    drop out from society who has survived as such for nearly 40 years.

    Obviously I could improve some of these things if it were all that
    important to me.

    To me, the $300 electric bill is a wake up call.

    My electric bills hit over $500 this winter, but I get a bit of a rebate
    so I think the highest was $425 or so..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Thu Apr 3 01:55:00 2025
    Mexico and Canada pulling and end-run around the USA and helping each
    >other out would be the perfect response to the USA's current
    >neo-imperialist aims.

    Yes, really..

    On a similar note, Trump has made strides in world peace - just
    >unintentionally. His tarriff warfare has gotten China, Korea and Japan
    >talking about agreements on a unified response to tarriffs. When have
    >they *ever* worked together?

    Yes, I hadn't even heard that yet. Europe is going crazy trying to
    decide how to handle things. I also hear a lot of Republicans,
    politicians and regular people, are starting to turn against Trump
    due to the expected coming recession he could create.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 3 09:41:00 2025
    You think they'd allow things like that on your news stations?
    >> That would make Trump look bad.. B)

    I have seen it in the news here, which makes me think Aaron is not watching
    >much news. ;)

    I've noticed some people tend to only pay attention to the news that
    says what they want to hear, not that I'm suggesting.... B)

    Most certainly so with some people.

    There are some who claim that because whatever talking head they watch on social media gets a lot of viewers means they are telling the truth. I
    think that is much more a result of what you've pointed out vs. actual
    reality. ;)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 3 09:43:00 2025
    There's been so much talk (crap?) lately about how vaccines are
    bad for you, but now we have things like Measles and Polio coming
    back. On the news tonight they mentioned one small district that
    had checked the schools to make sure the kids all had the required
    vaccine shots, and they ended up telling over 1600 kids to go home
    and not come back until their shots were up to date.

    Was that here in the states or there?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Thu Apr 3 09:01:56 2025
    >g a wood stove and a gas generator (and a lot less electric.)

    Ha.. you are describing my life.. I'm still on the electric grid but
    I live in the woods in a very primitive way. I don't have running
    water in winter and only cold running water in summer. An outhouse.

    I mentioned how we have more than 1 floor, but I told my wife "we can sleep downstairs in the winter to stay warm." I'm serious about it, but she has this "let's just pay the bill" attitude.

    To me, the $300 electric bill is a wake up call.

    My electric bills hit over $500 this winter, but I get a bit of a rebate so I think the highest was $425 or so..

    That's outrageous. When I first moved into this house I was seeing like $150 in the winter and about $70 in the summer. Now it's around $300 every month, no matter how much gas or electric we use (it's all on 1 bill.)

    I'm ready to put my foot down (and up the electric company's butt!)

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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Fri Apr 4 07:52:13 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

    I've noticed some people tend to only pay attention to the news that
    says what they want to hear, not that I'm suggesting.... B)

    And it's time for another quote:

    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas Sowell


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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to Rob Mccart on Fri Apr 4 18:55:00 2025
    Hello Rob!

    ** On Thursday 03.04.25 - 01:45, Rob Mccart wrote to AARON THOMAS:

    I have a friend I've known since high school and he brings
    people he knows up to visitme so he can show me off like a
    museum exhibit, the drop out from society who has survived
    as such for nearly 40 years.

    You should charge admission. :D




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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Fri Apr 4 16:44:05 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    But consider this: Covid-19 isn't "nature's way." Whether or not the strains floating around today are waning in potency is irrelevant. Covid-19 is almost certainly a man-made virus, and man-made or not,
    there are other man-made SARS viruses that are currently in development with scientists claiming to have achieved "100% mortality in human transgenic mice." (See below about GX_P2V)

    That's the punishment we get when mice stop following God's Will with
    regards to gender!



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Fri Apr 4 20:01:57 2025
    But consider this: Covid-19 isn't "nature's way." Whether or not the strains floating around today are waning in potency is irrelevant. Covid-19 is almost certainly a man-made virus, and man-made or not, there are other man-made SARS viruses that are currently in developme with scientists claiming to have achieved "100% mortality in human transgenic mice." (See below about GX_P2V)

    That's the punishment we get when mice stop following God's Will with regards to gender!

    I don't get it - but it sound funny ;)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sat Apr 5 01:32:00 2025
    I've noticed some people tend to only pay attention to the news that
    >> says what they want to hear, not that I'm suggesting.... B)

    Most certainly so with some people.

    There are some who claim that because whatever talking head they watch on
    >social media gets a lot of viewers means they are telling the truth. I
    >think that is much more a result of what you've pointed out vs. actual
    >reality. ;)

    Yes, often the craziest pod people get the most viewers. It's just
    unfortunate when people actually believe what they say..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sat Apr 5 01:34:00 2025
    There's been so much talk (crap?) lately about how vaccines are
    >> bad for you, but now we have things like Measles and Polio coming
    >> back. On the news tonight they mentioned one small district that
    >> had checked the schools to make sure the kids all had the required
    >> vaccine shots, and they ended up telling over 1600 kids to go home
    >> and not come back until their shots were up to date.

    Was that here in the states or there?

    That was in Canada not too far from Toronto, but a different school
    district. We've started getting measles coming back up here and
    it's got a lot of people starting to pay closer attention.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sat Apr 5 01:54:00 2025
    a wood stove and a gas generator (and a lot less electric.)

    Ha.. you are describing my life.. I'm still on the electric grid but
    I live in the woods in a very primitive way. I don't have running
    water in winter and only cold running water in summer. An outhouse.

    I mentioned how we have more than 1 floor, but I told my wife "we can sleep d
    >stairs in the winter to stay warm." I'm serious about it, but she has this "l
    >s just pay the bill" attitude.

    I suppose there are limits in both directions, trying to save too much
    or ignoring the cost and going for comfort/convenience. The best place
    is probably in the middle somewhere.

    To me, the $300 electric bill is a wake up call.

    My electric bills hit over $500 this winter, but I get a bit of a rebate
    so I think the highest was $425 or so..

    That's outrageous. When I first moved into this house I was seeing like $150
    >the winter and about $70 in the summer. Now it's around $300 every month, no
    >ter how much gas or electric we use (it's all on 1 bill.)

    I'm ready to put my foot down (and up the electric company's butt!)

    My bill for March was about $260, so down quite a bit. When I'm here
    alone I use less than $90 in summer with no heating to do.
    But my sister and my niece and her family are up quite a bit in
    summer (2 other cottages) and that can get the bills going up again
    too, especially early and late in the season when you need some heat
    in the early morning or overnight.

    I recall one fall, cold but still well below freezing, my niece's
    husband came up with 3 friends. I checked the meter before and
    after they came and they'd used $45 worth extra in just 2 days
    not too worried about wasting it since they weren't paying for it..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to GRANT WEASNER on Sat Apr 5 02:10:00 2025
    The thing I don't understand is why does electricity coast so much. I think a
    >r the systems are in place, which they've been there for years where I live,
    >y don't require more money to produce the electricity, specifically hydro? Wa
    > falling out of the sky doesn't suddenly coast more each year, but somehow el
    >ricity does.

    There are some things about that, like solar panels and wind generators
    are not nearly as efficient as they claim they are. My sister bought
    a bunch of solar panels and they don't make near the power claimed, not
    near enough to handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    A lot of countries built huge numbers of wind turbines and are now
    just waiting for them to wear out so they can get rid of them.
    One area mentioned installing enough to supply 25% of their power
    but found, in reality, they only got about 6% out of them.

    Nuclear is highly efficient but has very expensive waste product
    problems and it's horrendously expensive to build plants.

    Water generators are the best, but few areas have a good spot to
    set that up. Not too long ago they were talking about a water
    genertor plant (Hydro Electricity?) in Ontario that has been in
    service so long that they have to convert the 25 cycle power to
    60 cycle. We got rid of 25 cycle power in the mid 1950's.

    I'm sure that one has paid for itself. B)

    For many decades we had so much of that that our power company is
    called Ontario Hydro and most Canadians refer to all power as Hydro
    (have you paid the Hydro bill?), something we have to avoid when
    travelling in the USA or it gives us away as visiting Canadians.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sat Apr 5 08:54:00 2025
    Most certainly so with some people.

    There are some who claim that because whatever talking head they watch on
    >social media gets a lot of viewers means they are telling the truth. I
    >think that is much more a result of what you've pointed out vs. actual
    >reality. ;)

    Yes, often the craziest pod people get the most viewers. It's just unfortunate when people actually believe what they say..

    Yes, and continuously cite them as proof of their point.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Sat Apr 5 09:41:12 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

    with scientists claiming to have achieved "100% mortality in human transgenic mice." (See below about GX_P2V)

    That's the punishment we get when mice stop following God's Will with regards to gender!

    Maga idiots in Washington confused Transgenic with Transgender and
    thought that government funds were being spent on gender-affirming
    surgeries on mice. Embarrassing lack of intelligence on display.



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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 5 10:19:32 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to GRANT WEASNER <=-

    There are some things about that, like solar panels and wind generators are not nearly as efficient as they claim they are. My sister bought
    a bunch of solar panels and they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I see this a lot. And here in Michigan, it's even worse since it's overcast much of the time **and** if you don't brush the snow off them, they produce nothing.

    A lot of countries built huge numbers of wind turbines and are now
    just waiting for them to wear out so they can get rid of them.
    One area mentioned installing enough to supply 25% of their power
    but found, in reality, they only got about 6% out of them.

    My previous company got some sort of grant to put small wind turbines on the roof of their headquarters. We were in the building accross the street so we could see them and they were almost never spinning.

    Nuclear is highly efficient but has very expensive waste product
    problems and it's horrendously expensive to build plants.

    The newer nuclear technology doesn't have nearly as big a waste problem. And the expense is mostly due to gov't regulation (usually useless regulation).

    genertor plant (Hydro Electricity?) in Ontario that has been in
    service so long that they have to convert the 25 cycle power to
    60 cycle. We got rid of 25 cycle power in the mid 1950's.

    Near me, we have a special "gravity" generator that's used to "jump start" the grid.

    So power plants need **some** power to start. How do you power a power plant? Well, that's what this special generator is for. It's built on a bluff above Lake Michigan. It's effectively a big lake and some turbines. It generates electricity the same way a hydroelectric dam does just in a somewhat artificial way.

    So when the power goes out completely, and they are ready to start things up, they open the gates, let the water run down to the lake and generate the power needed to let the power plants start up.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 5 20:27:50 2025
    My bill for March was about $260, so down quite a bit. When I'm here
    alone I use less than $90 in summer with no heating to do.
    But my sister and my niece and her family are up quite a bit in
    summer (2 other cottages) and that can get the bills going up again
    too, especially early and late in the season when you need some heat
    in the early morning or overnight.

    There's something weird going on here in the states, at least in my state. I have a friend who literally has no furnace in his house, he's got mobile home with a wood stove, and he got a $600 electric bill.

    He called the electric company and they said "It's been colder than normal this winter.." but obviously that doesn't make any sense.

    This is really 2 problems in 1: The first problem is we're all being ripped off by NYSEG (the electric company) and the second problem is: What are they planning to do with all this money that they're stealing from us?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Sat Apr 5 20:31:43 2025
    That's the punishment we get when mice stop following God's Will with regards to gender!

    Maga idiots in Washington confused Transgenic with Transgender and
    thought that government funds were being spent on gender-affirming surgeries on mice. Embarrassing lack of intelligence on display.

    That's how I interpreted the news also, but I understand the correction.

    But I'm still in favor of stopping the funding for it. Scientists can play God on their own money. We can't even afford electricity, so it's time for scientists to try learning how to bring electric down and to give all that virus mutation stuff a rest.

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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 6 06:44:18 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    He called the electric company and they said "It's been colder than
    normal this winter.." but obviously that doesn't make any sense.

    We are set to get a higher electric bill here in Michigan. The power company is regulated, so they have to ask the state to raise rates.

    No explanation was given.

    This is really 2 problems in 1: The first problem is we're all being ripped off by NYSEG (the electric company) and the second problem is:
    What are they planning to do with all this money that they're stealing from us?

    Based on past shenanigans, probably build more useless windmills and solar "farms" - and cutting down large swaths of virgin forest.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Sun Apr 6 01:03:00 2025
    I've noticed some people tend to only pay attention to the news that
    says what they want to hear, not that I'm suggesting.... B)

    And it's time for another quote:

    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that
    >contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas Sowell

    I think that's sort of a universal problem.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Sun Apr 6 01:50:00 2025
    There's been so much talk (crap?) lately about how vaccines are
    bad for you,

    That's because the COVID jab is bad for you.

    There's been so much misinformation floating around I've pretty much
    stopped listening to anyone. I just go by personal experience, watching
    what's happened to people in my own family and friends..

    It used to be that "vaccines" did nothing but give you a warm fuzzy. But now
    >they are made in such a way that they introduce contaminates (like aluminum)
    >into your body that they are bad for you. We have evidence of that now.

    Yes, since the 1930's and the part of aluminum they use does no harm.
    I saw online the complaints about the negative affects of aluminum
    and the fact checking services saying that is unfounded.

    And we have a big lawsuit going on now because a school and clinic gave a chi
    >(who was completly unvaccinated) all his childhood "vaccines" at once and
    >within a couple weeks developed severe autism - even though the child had not
    >exhibited any signs before.

    Speaking of things that are totally unproven. Studies were done following
    1.2 million children getting vaccines and the instances of autism were
    exactly the same is in unvaccinated children.

    You'll see lawsuits tried since, 1 - Everyone likes a free payday.
    and 2 - No one wants to believe it's their own genes causing a
    problem with their children if they can latch onto something
    else to blame it on, real or not.

    but now we have things like Measles and Polio coming back.

    But neither of those have anything to do with vaccines.

    Take polio as an example. It was caused by the heavy metal pesticides
    being used in farming.

    As the use went up, polio went up. As their use went down
    >polio disappeared.

    And it is suddenly coming back again now why?

    It is caused by a virus that attacks nerve cells in the spinal cord.
    Why do you think it almost vanished from most of the world until
    more countries stopped giving Polio vaccine shots?

    But this is part of the problem: Our medical 'experts' are so sure
    >that viruses cause illness that they don't look for anything else.

    Viruses can be seen and studied and identified so they know exactly
    which virus give you which disease. If anti-virus shots didn't work
    there's no way governments would pay for them, and don't try to tell
    me that pharma-companies have enough bribe money to get goverments all
    over the world spend many $Billions to buy something that does nothing.

    Not everything that goes wrong with us is casued by a virus, but
    it's something that they can verify when that's what it is.

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 6 08:10:34 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    This is really 2 problems in 1: The first problem is we're all being ripped off by NYSEG (the electric company) and the second problem is:
    What are they planning to do with all this money that they're stealing from us?

    Stock buybacks and shareholder dividends, obviously. Then, cause a loss
    of life due to deferred maintenance and raise rates to pay for the
    lawsuits and maintenance. And to pay for a non-stop media PR campaign
    about how much a part of your neighborhood the local utility is.

    Or, transfer all of the profits to the parent corporation then declare bankrupcy to discharge debt.

    I don't know how PG&E executives sleep at night.




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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Dr. What on Sun Apr 6 08:10:35 2025
    Dr. What wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

    We are set to get a higher electric bill here in Michigan. The power company is regulated, so they have to ask the state to raise rates.

    No explanation was given.

    Our local utility just requested a rate increase to be able to pay
    shareholders dividends on par with other utilities.

    WHO WILL THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS????



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun Apr 6 10:15:00 2025
    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts
    hat
    contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas
    owell

    I think that's sort of a universal problem.. B)

    Yes, it most certainly is. ;)

    Mike


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Dr. What on Sun Apr 6 09:35:26 2025
    We are set to get a higher electric bill here in Michigan. The power company is regulated, so they have to ask the state to raise rates.

    No explanation was given.

    I have a suspicion that it's got something to do with the cuts that DOGE is making. Somebody isn't getting our money delivered to them the way that it used to, so they're taking it from us in a different way. Probably the WEF.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Kurt Weiske on Sun Apr 6 10:03:31 2025
    What are they planning to do with all this money that they're stealin from us?

    Stock buybacks and shareholder dividends, obviously. Then, cause a loss
    of life due to deferred maintenance and raise rates to pay for the lawsuits and maintenance. And to pay for a non-stop media PR campaign about how much a part of your neighborhood the local utility is.

    I'm glad that you don't trust these slimeballs either.

    I'm hoping that somebody can put the evidence together to sue them. The problem is that average people (me at least) don't understand the technical
    jargon about electric, or how there could be any logical excuse for the bill being doubled (actually tripled now.) Someone who knows the industry could probably solve this puzzle.

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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Mon Apr 7 04:54:15 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    "... and what makes them [Lefties] tremendously dangerous is that facts that
    >contradict what they believe are simply ignored or evaded." -- Thomas Sowell

    I think that's sort of a universal problem.. B)

    It's far more true for the Lefties. Especially the ones who live in their fantasy worlds.


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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Aaron Thomas on Mon Apr 7 04:54:15 2025
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I have a suspicion that it's got something to do with the cuts that
    DOGE is making. Somebody isn't getting our money delivered to them the
    way that it used to, so they're taking it from us in a different way. Probably the WEF.

    I'd say that's a high probability.

    DOGE cuts funds for "green energy" so they take it from us through higher utility rates.

    The Elitists have to get their money somehow. Lord knows that they can't actually **DO** something to earn it.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Mon Apr 7 01:17:00 2025
    There are some who claim that because whatever talking head they watch on
    >social media gets a lot of viewers means they are telling the truth.

    Yes, often the craziest pod people get the most viewers. It's just
    >> unfortunate when people actually believe what they say..

    Yes, and continuously cite them as proof of their point.

    Yes, I have a relative like that. If it's on the news or from the
    government then it's a lie, you can only trust those pod casters.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 7 01:52:00 2025
    are not nearly as efficient as they claim they are. My sister bought
    a bunch of solar panels and they don't make near the power claimed, not near enough to handle all their needs and they paid $80,000 for them.

    I see this a lot. And here in Michigan, it's even worse since it's overcast
    >much of the time **and** if you don't brush the snow off them, they produce
    >nothing.

    Yes, my sister talks about that all the time, plus the money saved,
    since it's so much less than the original estimate, means that the
    panels will wear out long before they pay for themselves, rather
    than being paid off about half way through their estimated life.

    Nuclear is highly efficient but has very expensive waste product
    problems and it's horrendously expensive to build plants.

    The newer nuclear technology doesn't have nearly as big a waste problem. And
    >the expense is mostly due to gov't regulation (usually useless regulation).

    There is new technology that is so efficient that it can use waste from
    old nuclear power plants to make electricity, but those are a lot more expensive to build. Maybe that's what you're referring to.
    But you still end up with waste that is dangerous for several hundred
    years rather than 25,000 years, but both numbers are a long term problem.

    Another new thing is tidal generators on the ocean shores, but that
    messes up a lot of shoreline. Some areas are super well set up for
    that though like the Bay of Fundy between New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
    in Canada. Depending on things the tide from low to high changes by
    between 40 and 53 feet each day, so it's like loading up a waterfall
    every day without having a one way river.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Mon Apr 7 02:14:00 2025
    There's something weird going on here in the states, at least in my state. I
    >e a friend who literally has no furnace in his house, he's got mobile home wi
    >a wood stove, and he got a $600 electric bill.

    He called the electric company and they said "It's been colder than normal th
    >winter.." but obviously that doesn't make any sense.

    No, that sounds ridiculous.. If it's like here it should be easy enough
    to check since our meters keep track of the KWH we use and your bill
    points out how much you pay per KWH, although they confuse us here by
    billing different amounts based on the time of day you used the power.
    Much cheaper overnight than during the working day and mid priced in
    the early morning and evening.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 8 01:33:00 2025
    I'm hoping that somebody can put the evidence together to sue them. The probl
    >is that average people (me at least) don't understand the technical
    >jargon about electric, or how there could be any logical excuse for the bill
    >ng doubled (actually tripled now.) Someone who knows the industry could proba
    > solve this puzzle.

    I assume you must pay for power by the KWH? What sort of rates are they
    hitting you with down there?

    Where I am we pay in Peak use hours 15.8 cents/kwh, Mid-Peak is
    at 12.2 cents and Low-Peak is at 7.6 cents. The bill I looked at
    for that information, I used pretty close to the same amount of
    power at the high and mid rates, but the Lowest rate times I used
    well over 3 times as much power, so that helps keep my costs low.
    Lowest cost times are from 7PM to 7AM and on weekends.

    Also, your power companies may be private and once in an area can do
    whatever they want. Here the Gov't more or less regulates the power
    company, and there really is just one. There are minor adjustments
    like the closest town to me has their own electricity billing but
    they get their power from the main grid, although they did build a
    small hydro generation plant on a river in town, but I suspect it's
    another case where the generated power is just sold back to add to
    the main grid, not used locally. I doubt the probably just one
    turbine could make near enough power to run the town, plus it
    likely shuts down in winter due to ice problems.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tue Apr 8 16:55:00 2025
    We are set to get a higher electric bill here in Michigan. The power company is regulated, so they have to ask the state to raise rates.

    No explanation was given.

    I have a suspicion that it's got something to do with the cuts that DOGE is making. Somebody isn't getting our money delivered to them the way that it
    se
    to, so they're taking it from us in a different way. Probably the WEF.

    You live in Upstate NY, right? Does your power come from Canada, which is currently being affected by tariffs?


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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Wed Apr 9 07:53:29 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Yes, my sister talks about that all the time, plus the money saved,
    since it's so much less than the original estimate, means that the
    panels will wear out long before they pay for themselves, rather
    than being paid off about half way through their estimated life.

    Yup. The "savings" from solar are primarily in the gov't subsidies, it seems.

    There is new technology that is so efficient that it can use waste from old nuclear power plants to make electricity, but those are a lot more expensive to build. Maybe that's what you're referring to.

    I don't remember. It's been a while since I really researched that. But I do know that the technology as changed. More expensive? Probably. Cleaner? Yes. Less dangerous? Probably.

    But you still end up with waste that is dangerous for several hundred years rather than 25,000 years, but both numbers are a long term
    problem.

    Well, 1999 has passed. So I guess we can start storing all that stuff on the moon. :) (If you don't get the reference, look up "Space: 1999".)

    Another new thing is tidal generators on the ocean shores, but that
    messes up a lot of shoreline.

    That's the problem with any of these "green" types of energy.

    As Thomas Sowell likes to say: "There are no solutions. Only trade-offs."

    Some areas are super well set up for
    that though like the Bay of Fundy between New Brunswick and Nova Scotia
    in Canada. Depending on things the tide from low to high changes by between 40 and 53 feet each day, so it's like loading up a waterfall
    every day without having a one way river.. B)

    Well, ya. There are certain types of energy production that work great - but only in certain locations. Iceland has a great thermo generation system but not everyone gets to live on top of a caldera. And there are certain drawbacks to that as well.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Thu Apr 10 00:22:00 2025
    The Elitists have to get their money somehow. Lord knows that they can't
    >actually **DO** something to earn it.

    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day
    from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him. He says this like it's a huge win as though
    he has no idea that if that number is accurate, that is $2 Billion
    more that his own people are paying for the things they buy.
    The US Gov't gets to pocket that and I wonder how much will go back
    to the ordinary people?

    Forbes also said that since the start of this, Trumps own net worth
    has dropped by $500 Million..

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to GRANT WEASNER on Thu Apr 10 00:59:00 2025
    For many decades we had so much of that that our power company is
    > > called Ontario Hydro and most Canadians refer to all power as Hydro
    > > (have you paid the Hydro bill?), something we have to avoid when
    > > travelling in the USA or it gives us away as visiting Canadians.. B)

    The Hydro Bill??? I'm not sure what that is.

    I think we have a fee we have to pay for water runoff. I know where I used to
    >ve the city does not allow us to collect water runoff on our property. I'm no
    >ure why that was, but it was one of those strange things where if a person co
    > keep the water from leaving their property they would be exempt from paying
    > fee, but the law says no its not allowed.

    Is this the type of Bill you are refering too?

    No, we just call our electricity Hydro instead of Power since so much
    of it is generated by hydro electric generators.

    I wonder if your situation with not being allowed to collect water
    on your property has to do with, if someone builds a pond on their
    property and then you get heavy rain, all that stored water could
    break through the banks and make the flooding in the area a lot worse..

    Having a fee in the first place for runoff seems odd. It's not like you
    have a lot of control over how much rain falls..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 10 09:18:00 2025
    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day
    from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him.

    One of his chief financial advisors is Peter Navarro's imaginary "expert"
    that is cited in Navarro's books.


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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to August Abolins on Thu Apr 10 17:22:28 2025
    Re: I watched the 'talk'
    By: August Abolins to Aaron Thomas on Thu Mar 27 2025 07:55 pm

    Hello Aaron!

    Not that I feel good about people losing their jobs, but
    it's just that there's such a thing as too much
    bureaucracy here in the states, like the department of
    transgender animal surgeries for example.

    I believe said "transgender" during he speech to the WH a few
    weeks ago, but the correct term is "transgenic" and has nothing
    to do with sex changing animals.

    Yup. Morons.
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  • From Dr. What@1:342/200 to Rob Mccart on Fri Apr 11 04:10:05 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The Elitists have to get their money somehow. Lord knows that they can't

    >actually **DO** something to earn it.

    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him. He says this like it's a huge win as though
    he has no idea that if that number is accurate, that is $2 Billion
    more that his own people are paying for the things they buy.

    You really need to stop listening to the Propaganda Ministry. Because your statement is untrue.

    Perhaps an actual class in economics would help you.

    Forbes also said that since the start of this, Trumps own net worth
    has dropped by $500 Million..

    Yet the Elitists still claim that Trump is in it for himself.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Fri Apr 11 01:34:00 2025
    There is new technology that is so efficient that it can use waste from
    old nuclear power plants to make electricity, but those are a lot more expensive to build. Maybe that's what you're referring to.

    I don't remember. It's been a while since I really researched that. But I d
    >know that the technology as changed. More expensive? Probably. Cleaner?
    >Yes. Less dangerous? Probably.

    Yes, I know it was hard to get countries to build the new plants since
    they cost so much more. I can't even find info on those online at the
    moment. I may have originally heard about one experimental plant and
    it may ahve ended up so costly that it never got off the ground.

    But you still end up with waste that is dangerous for several hundred
    years rather than 25,000 years, but both numbers are a long term
    problem.

    Well, 1999 has passed. So I guess we can start storing all that stuff on the
    >moon. :) (If you don't get the reference, look up "Space: 1999".)

    Ha.. Yes I remember watching that show, although I doubt I'd have come
    up with the name right away..

    As Thomas Sowell likes to say: "There are no solutions. Only trade-offs."

    Yes, sounds about right.. Sounds like marriage too.. B)

    Well, ya. There are certain types of energy production that work great - but
    >only in certain locations.

    Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
    where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the
    desert where these things might actually be useful..

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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 12 14:56:12 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Yes, I know it was hard to get countries to build the new plants since they cost so much more.

    Half the reason nuclear power plants cost so much to build is gov't regulation.

    Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
    where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the desert where these things might actually be useful..

    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not promises, only dreams.

    Let's use solar panels in the desert. Lots of open area. No one really cares about the land use. Lots of sunlight. Sounds good.

    But you have dust and sand. Dust that reduces the effectiveness of the panels unless regularily cleaned. Sand to abrade them and wear them quicker than intended.

    One of the problems with the Greenies is that they can never see the full picture. They only want to focus on their little part that they want.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Dr. What on Sat Apr 12 14:19:36 2025
    Re: Re: I watched the 'talk'
    By: Dr. What to Rob Mccart on Sat Apr 12 2025 02:56 pm


    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not promises, only dreams.

    There's a ton of people (myself included) working in renewable energy actually doing the things and providing power. Right now.

    I'm more of a microgrid kinda guy - I want to see every rooftop, every covered parking lot covered with pv panels, backing up battery systems, with a controller routing power based on needs and grid costs - with the ability to run standalone when needed.

    There's no one "green" promise. To think so would be incredibly reductive.
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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Sun Apr 13 01:26:00 2025
    Speaking of.. Trump said today that the US is getting $2 Billion a day
    from the tariffs... You have to wonder who gives him advice or tries
    to explain things to him. He says this like it's a huge win as though
    he has no idea that if that number is accurate, that is $2 Billion
    more that his own people are paying for the things they buy.

    You really need to stop listening to the Propaganda Ministry.
    >Because your statement is untrue.

    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    But, the USA does import about $9 Billion a day and if you take
    his tariff figures, it could actually work out higher than that,
    but I doubt it's quite that high at the moment because he keeps
    going back and forth on the tariffs.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    Forbes also said that since the start of this, Trumps own net worth
    has dropped by $500 Million..

    Yet the Elitists still claim that Trump is in it for himself.

    Yes, well apparently him and his buddies are playing the markets
    as they surge up and down, something like insider trading, so I'm
    sure he'll make it back, but it won't stop YOUR every day bills
    from going up..

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  • From Dr. What@1:142/999 to Rob Mccart on Sun Apr 13 17:24:43 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    Right... It seems like we have another TDS sufferer here.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    Yes, well apparently him and his buddies are playing the markets
    as they surge up and down, something like insider trading, so I'm
    sure he'll make it back, but it won't stop YOUR every day bills
    from going up..

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie, etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary. And we already know that Pelosi is doing insider trading.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 14 01:38:00 2025
    Yes, and some areas have constant winds blowing with rarely a storm
    where it's practical to build wind farms or solar panel areas in the
    desert where these things might actually be useful..

    But they have drawbacks too. The promises by the "green" folk are not
    >promises, only dreams.

    Let's use solar panels in the desert. Lots of open area. No one really care
    >about the land use. Lots of sunlight. Sounds good.

    But you have dust and sand. Dust that reduces the effectiveness of the panel
    >unless regularily cleaned. Sand to abrade them and wear them quicker than
    >intended.

    One of the problems with the Greenies is that they can never see the full
    >picture. They only want to focus on their little part that they want.

    No free lunch.. As I mentioned earlier, Hydro Electric plants might be
    the greenest way to generate power if you have a good place to build
    the plant without destroying too much land around it to build it.

    There are a lot of places around here where they have huge banks of
    solar panels out in fields with some sort of grain crop. An area like
    that might have enough rain to keep them clean, but then we're back
    to snow in winter this far north at least..

    And, again, in most cases they wear out before they make enough
    money to pay for themselves..

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Dr. What on Mon Apr 14 07:58:00 2025
    Dr. What wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's
    a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    With the amount of reporting out there showing how tariffs raise
    consumer prices and historical evidence of tariffs having the opposite
    effect of slowing the economy, I'm amazed that people can still
    gaslight by claiming criticizing Trump's policy is a deep-seated
    psychological issue with the criticizer, or blaming socialism.

    Of course, all of the info regarding tariffs I'm reading must be coming
    from Woke Media, hence the slant.

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    I spoke too soon!

    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary. And we already know that Pelosi is doing insider trading.

    I forgot "whataboutism".

    As for "elitism", look at Trump and his cabinet. They're worth how many billions and making policies that affect everyday people?

    The difference between democrats and republicans is that I hear about
    democrats being indicted for breaking rules and democrats agreeing that
    it was just.

    With republicans, crickets.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Mon Apr 14 10:11:00 2025
    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    If someone only studied socialism, they might believe it isn't passed on but that is because in socialism the government controls the economy.


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  • From Borax Man@3:770/100 to Mike Powell on Tue Apr 15 10:21:20 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to DR. WHAT <=-

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how
    it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the
    *consumer*.

    If someone only studied socialism, they might believe it isn't passed
    on but that is because in socialism the government controls the
    economy.

    I it saving the *consumer* money that made all the jobs go offshore in the first place, and lead to the gutting of many towns and communities. Let the consumer vote with their wallet, and you will not have a country left by the end of the century. Free Trade is not the panacea people made it out to be, and some barriers are necessary safeguard the nation, and your way of life.

    IT seems when it comes between choosing the wellbeing of their own nation and people, and adhering to some economic ideals, some people still choose the latter, despite the very obvious decline this brings about.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to DR. WHAT on Tue Apr 15 01:12:00 2025
    Well, given the source it likely is a lie seeing as that came from
    Trump himself during a speech in the East Room on April 8th..

    Right... It seems like we have another TDS sufferer here.

    Seems you need a little more TDS there.. And as far as lies go,
    whenever news agencies in the USA fact check Trumps speeches they
    generally find dozens of 'inaccuracies', often financial numbers
    off by hundreds of percent.

    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a
    >difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    No, the suppliers sell at the same price they always have and then
    Trump puts a 25% or so 'tax' on what you pay for it in tariffs as
    it enters your country..

    And you are still getting your "news" from the Propaganda Ministry.

    Most of that propaganda is coming right from what Trump says in public.
    I'm not saying much of is NOT propaganda, just that it's being put
    out by Trump himself to make it look like his policies are doing less
    damage to your economy than they actually are.

    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    since Trump took office.. Your government is already taking in many
    $Billions from tariffs and I wonder how much of that is being used to
    lower the bills of the average person?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BORAX MAN on Tue Apr 15 09:46:00 2025
    I it saving the *consumer* money that made all the jobs go offshore in the first place, and lead to the gutting of many towns and communities. Let the consumer vote with their wallet, and you will not have a country left by the end of the century. Free Trade is not the panacea people made it out to be, and some barriers are necessary safeguard the nation, and your way of life.

    IT seems when it comes between choosing the wellbeing of their own nation and people, and adhering to some economic ideals, some people still choose the latter, despite the very obvious decline this brings about.

    It all boils down to if you don't have the money to afford it you won't buy
    it, so of course one thinks with their own wallet.

    That is part of the reason we are where we are now in the USA. Stuff
    started to cost a lot more so folks thought with their wallet and didn't re-elect the incumbent ticket.

    Honestly, though, I really don't agree with your premise. I don't think it
    had anything to do with savng the *consumer* money... I think it had more
    to do with making more money for the corporations involved. The fact that
    it saved the consumer money was a side-effect.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Tue Apr 15 10:20:00 2025
    With the amount of reporting out there showing how tariffs raise
    consumer prices and historical evidence of tariffs having the opposite
    effect of slowing the economy, I'm amazed that people can still
    gaslight by claiming criticizing Trump's policy is a deep-seated
    psychological issue with the criticizer, or blaming socialism.

    Of course, all of the info regarding tariffs I'm reading must be coming
    from Woke Media, hence the slant.

    And history books and just about anywhere that talks about tariffs. ;)

    The difference between democrats and republicans is that I hear about democrats being indicted for breaking rules and democrats agreeing that
    it was just.

    With republicans, crickets.

    I disagree here. If they are close to the middle of the spectrum, yes. If they are closer to the poles, no, they gripe about it just as much.

    An example as of late has been Signalgate. "Republicans are hypocrites for wanting Hillary to get into trouble but not these guys," but then when you point out that, no, they should have all been in trouble, including
    Hillary, they get mad because they think she didn't do anything wrong and
    that you must be a MAGAt to think that.

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    Same here.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Apr 15 10:23:00 2025
    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    since Trump took office.. Your government is already taking in many
    $Billions from tariffs and I wonder how much of that is being used to
    lower the bills of the average person?

    Most groceries have not gone down.

    Fuel prices started going down before the election, declined more
    afterwards, and continued to do so until recently. Now, they are going back up.

    Power bill has stayed the same.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Thu Apr 17 01:06:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    What? Treat everyone the same? Are you crazy?? B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:14:00 2025
    If you mean about costing the people more, that's what tariffs do.
    They make things more expensive for the people who buy them.

    No. It makes it more costly for those who want to sell here. There's a
    >> difference. But people who only studied socialism won't understand that.

    So, wait, you don't think those that want to sell here won't pass that cost
    >onto the consumers here? People who didn't study economics (or business in
    >general) might understand it that way, but that isn't how it works.

    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    There seems to be a lot of confusion over how tariffs work.
    Trump is putting a tariff on goods as they come into the USA.
    Those selling to you don't change anything, Trump just puts
    what amounts to a fat Tax on everything imported so his gov't
    makes a lot of money off of the Americans who buy those things.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:43:00 2025
    Honestly, though, I really don't agree with your premise. I don't think it
    >had anything to do with savng the *consumer* money... I think it had more
    >to do with making more money for the corporations involved. The fact that
    >it saved the consumer money was a side-effect.

    That's probably more common in recent years. I can't help but think
    back 30 or more years and watching the price of something like a
    Video Recorder or Microwave Oven drop from $600 to $100 because
    they started making them in China. The (early) quality was crap but
    people still bought them to save the money.

    As you've suggested, the problem with bringing manufacturing back
    to the USA is that the difference in what you pay your workers
    compared to what people in China, India or Mexico make will greatly
    increase the cost of those things UNLESS you go to much more
    automated assembly plants which will lower the cost but won't
    create the jobs that Trump keeps talking about.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 17 01:55:00 2025
    Let me know how much your grocery, goods and power bills have dropped
    >> since Trump took office..

    Most groceries have not gone down.

    Fuel prices started going down before the election, declined more
    >afterwards, and continued to do so until recently. Now, they are going back
    >up.

    Power bill has stayed the same.

    Fuel is understandable because with the threat of a world wide drop
    in business, and possible recession, the price of oil has dropped.

    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    have to charge more to stay afloat.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    ways to generate more electricity..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:16:00 2025
    As you've suggested, the problem with bringing manufacturing back
    to the USA is that the difference in what you pay your workers
    compared to what people in China, India or Mexico make will greatly
    increase the cost of those things UNLESS you go to much more
    automated assembly plants which will lower the cost but won't
    create the jobs that Trump keeps talking about.

    That seems to be the trend. Amazon recently announced a huge expansion
    program to get distribution centers closer to the American consumers. The
    plan for these new centers is that they will be mostly automated and not
    create the quantity of jobs they might once have done.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:19:00 2025
    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    have to charge more to stay afloat.

    In relation to tariffs, I agree. However, Trump promised to get these
    prices down and so far the administration has been too busy with tariff
    wars and likely illegal firings to address this.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    ways to generate more electricity..

    On the news here within the past week or so, there was a PM from Manitoba
    (I think) who was signing two orders.... one to stop sending a large
    quantiy of MWs of power to the US, and another to divert some of it to
    Nunavut.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:41:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    You don't have to be independently wealthy before you start running, but
    you do have to have a good deal of financial backing from somewhere. A lot
    of these folks (the Clintons, for example) charge/make unbelievable amounts
    for speaking engagements. I cannot remember the numbers but the last time
    I saw them it made me realize you could make a *whole* lot real quick!

    I want people indicted if they break the rules regardless of party.

    What? Treat everyone the same? Are you crazy?? B)

    Kurt is a dreamer, as am I. ;)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Thu Apr 17 08:42:00 2025
    In a free market economy, like ours, the cost is passed to the *consumer*.

    There seems to be a lot of confusion over how tariffs work.
    Trump is putting a tariff on goods as they come into the USA.
    Those selling to you don't change anything, Trump just puts
    what amounts to a fat Tax on everything imported so his gov't
    makes a lot of money off of the Americans who buy those things.

    Yeah, and I am pretty certain those selling it are going to pass the fat
    tax along to us.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Rob Mccart on Thu Apr 17 08:18:23 2025
    Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so
    legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    car and appreciation took care of the rest.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Fri Apr 18 09:59:00 2025
    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    car and appreciation took care of the rest.

    This is a valid point. The house I am in now sold the first time in ~1968 for $16,000. It cost me a lot more to buy it in 2009.... not millions by any stretch, but at least 10x more.

    $16k is slightly more than "used-car," at least last I checked, but it is
    not much of an exaggeration.


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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/1 to Mike Powell on Sat Apr 19 16:47:02 2025
    Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

    $16k is slightly more than "used-car," at least last I checked, but it
    is not much of an exaggeration.

    My parents bought their house in the suburban bay area for $24,000 in
    1969.

    I bought a 2002 Toyota Camry for $25,000.

    They sold their house in 2016 for $1,300,000.

    It's now estimated at $2,100,000.

    Crazy.



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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun Apr 20 08:17:00 2025
    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    Yes, more of the 50501 protest. Yesterday, in particular, was a big day because it was the anniversary of the beginning of the American Revolution,
    so there were a lot of "No Kings" protests.

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

    I read up on that some once. It sounded like it was not a given that one
    would be allowed to move. There were certain skill area that the
    government was looking for, and others that they were not.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Apr 20 01:43:00 2025
    The other things will take a little longer. Imported food will
    >> obviously go way up in price but American grown stuff shouldn't
    >> change, other than they may lose markets outside of the USA and
    >> have to charge more to stay afloat.

    In relation to tariffs, I agree. However, Trump promised to get these
    >prices down and so far the administration has been too busy with tariff
    >wars and likely illegal firings to address this.

    Yes, I'd imagine he's a lot busier than anyone outside of his office
    knows. There seem to be a lot of important people and businesses not at
    all happy with things who must be driving him crazy arguing with him.

    Power.. If we finally hit back with reciprical tariffs on the
    >> electricity that Canada sells you, that will make a pretty big
    >> difference to millions of people close to the border, and then
    >> shortages caused if you stop buying from us will possibly raise
    >> prices for everyone as the power companies have to come up with
    >> ways to generate more electricity..

    On the news here within the past week or so, there was a PM from Manitoba
    >(I think) who was signing two orders.... one to stop sending a large
    >quantiy of MWs of power to the US, and another to divert some of it to
    >Nunavut.

    Yes, about the only province that wants to just go along with things
    with no retaliation is Alberta, our biggest Oil producer, who don't
    want to do anything to lose business. They also frequently talk about
    becoming their own country and breaking away from Canada so we can't
    expect much support from them if it doesn't directly benefit them.

    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Apr 20 01:52:00 2025
    But projection is a standard part of the Elitist playbook. I can't
    wait until they start looking into why Elitists like Pelosi, Bernie,
    etc. are worth millions on a gov't salary.

    I won't pretend to know your people too well but, in my experience,
    >> it's near impossible to attain a high position in gov't unless you
    >> are already wealthy when you run for the post.

    You don't have to be independently wealthy before you start running, but
    >you do have to have a good deal of financial backing from somewhere.

    True, but that means you Usually need a lot of rich friends or family
    to get started since running for a major office is more than a full time
    job so you need enough backing to build up enough support to be able to
    take a real shot at it. A person who couldn't afford to not be working
    and wasn't able to pay to fly back and forth all across the country would
    have a hard time getting enough people aware of them to get financial
    backing to continue on I would think.

    It Could happen if someone were well enough known for some reason
    before they decided to run, although most famous people are rich too.

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to KURT WEISKE on Sun Apr 20 02:02:00 2025
    I've seen some of the meme's asking things like "how does so-and-so
    >legislator afford a $10 million mansion on their salary??!??"

    Do a little digging, and because of no term limits, these people are in
    >their 70s. They bought their houses in the 1970s for the price of a used
    >car and appreciation took care of the rest.

    Ha.. yes.. Those of us who were smart enough to buy our houses 50 years
    ago had a big advantage.. B)

    I think every generation has had their problems. I remember when buying
    my first house in 1975 my bank told me I'd need to be making triple
    what I was to get the mortgage.. so I went to a mortgage broker and
    paid a higher interest rate and never missed a payment But I also worked
    either 2 or 3 jobs in those early years and I didn't eat very well the
    last couple of weeks before the quarterly mortgage payment was due, and
    I was driving a 14 year old car.

    But, 10 years later, it was a whole nuther story.. B)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 22 01:50:00 2025
    I heard on the news that there were thousands of protestors out today
    >> all across the USA (for the second time) over things that Trump is
    >> doing. That's not all about tariffs either. Things about immigration
    >> and mass firings of gov't workers and new LGBT(etc.) policies..

    Yes, more of the 50501 protest. Yesterday, in particular, was a big day
    >because it was the anniversary of the beginning of the American Revolution,
    >so there were a lot of "No Kings" protests.

    Yes.. Kings.. Dictators.. whatever Trump aspires to.. B)

    They mentioned we also have a huge number of highly skilled people
    >> moving to Canada from the USA to get away from his changes.

    I read up on that some once. It sounded like it was not a given that one
    >would be allowed to move. There were certain skill area that the
    >government was looking for, and others that they were not.

    True.. we seem to always need more healthcare workers due to the
    high use of medical when it usually doesn't cost anything. A lot
    of people take advantage for things where it's not really necessary
    and so the system is almost always crowded. I'm generally pretty
    healthy and I go for years without seeing a doctor, and when I do it's
    usually due to an injury.. But when I am forced to see my doctor she
    always goes nuts and does a full physical and runs every blood test
    known to man just to make sure I'm as healthy as I appear to be.. B)

    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    temporarily, and after that other factors would probably influence
    whether they can stay permanently or not. What they try to avoid
    is too many unskilled people wanting to move here, although a lot
    of them still seem to get in.. 'Refugees' are another story but
    there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Tue Apr 22 08:17:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    temporarily, and after that other factors would probably influence
    whether they can stay permanently or not. What they try to avoid
    is too many unskilled people wanting to move here, although a lot
    of them still seem to get in..

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be as "desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    'Refugees' are another story but
    there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Thu Apr 24 01:02:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    >> with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    >> pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    >> temporarily

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be as
    >"desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    Was that a skill or a mistake? B)

    Just kidding.. I've never used that so shouldn't really comment.
    I was more following the comment you made..

    'Refugees' are another story but
    >> there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    >people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!

    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Fri Apr 25 09:33:00 2025
    I think in most cases the gov't isn't looking for Only people
    >> with specific skills. If they look to be employable and will
    >> pay their own way I think most people would get in, at least
    >> temporarily

    I got the impression at the time that as a COBOL developer I might not be a
    >"desireable" as other skilled folks. :D

    Was that a skill or a mistake? B)

    Just kidding.. I've never used that so shouldn't really comment.
    I was more following the comment you made..

    No mistake. ;) It appeared at the time that they did want IT people but
    were not looking for COBOL developers, which is strange considering a whole
    lot of them were retiring (or dying off) and many government and financial firms (at least at that time) still used it plenty.

    'Refugees' are another story but
    >> there is talk of lowering the numbers of those allowed in too.

    That would probably be a good idea as soon you may have a whole lot of
    >people immediately south of your border that will be trying to claim that!

    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

    "Neenah man told to leave U.S. despite being a born-and-raised citizen"

    https://youtu.be/QieqxcqxGe0?si=bACjNnMuOe01Bvnr

    I would suppose getting such a letter could qualify you, especially if you
    have no home country to "go back" to.


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Apr 29 01:09:00 2025
    I'm not sure Americans quite qualify as Refugees, although possibly some
    >> of them that are LGBQ--- might qualify if Trump gets his way..

    "Neenah man told to leave U.S. despite being a born-and-raised citizen"

    https://youtu.be/QieqxcqxGe0?si=bACjNnMuOe01Bvnr

    I would suppose getting such a letter could qualify you, especially if you
    >have no home country to "go back" to.

    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    was born in the USA who was being deported..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Rob Mccart on Wed Apr 30 08:04:40 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Fri May 2 00:36:00 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    > > case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    > > possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    > > was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Fri May 2 09:09:00 2025
    Yes, that would freak you out.. I'm not sure if there was more than one
    > > case like that but I heard something similar a couple of weeks ago,
    > > possibly the same person although I vaguely think it was a woman that
    > > was born in the USA who was being deported..

    Yes, there was one of those also. She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

    Unless they are toadying to him, I suspect you are right. ;)


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Sun May 4 01:14:00 2025
    She is an immigration attorney, too. ;)

    That would make her mad.. But Trump would probably like that one.
    >> I doubt he likes Lawyers much more than he does Judges.
    >> They just get in the way of the things he wants to do.. B)

    Unless they are toadying to him, I suspect you are right. ;)

    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    President to come to court for his own cases..

    To quote CBS News, since he took office over 100 days ago there have
    been more than 300 lawsuits filed against him challenging just about
    everything he is doing.. More than 100 in Illinois alone against
    him 'and his administration'..

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    all time records for the number of them.. B)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ROB MCCART on Sun May 4 08:50:00 2025
    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    President to come to court for his own cases..

    Most of those in these cases would be government paid for lawyers, too.

    To quote CBS News, since he took office over 100 days ago there have
    been more than 300 lawsuits filed against him challenging just about everything he is doing.. More than 100 in Illinois alone against
    him 'and his administration'..

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    all time records for the number of them.. B)

    He has set records. Yaysayers point out that it is proof that "they" are
    "out to get him," while naysayers point out that he wouldn't be in trouble
    if he, and his administration, stopped breaking the law.

    The yaysayers may be right in a few individual cases but, overall, I think
    the naysayers are 100% correct in their view of the matter. ;)


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  • From Rob Mccart@1:2320/105 to MIKE POWELL on Tue May 6 01:15:00 2025
    I suppose you need lawyers to help you try to beat the law too once
    >> you get caught. I understand there are now hundreds of court cases
    >> against some of the things he is doing so he may have to have several
    >> lawyers in court full time for him since I doubt they can force the
    >> President to come to court for his own cases..

    Most of those in these cases would be government paid for lawyers, too.

    This is true, at least until the end of his term and then they can
    go back to trying to get him for tax 'issues'.. B)

    By the sounds of things, most Presidents get sued by various people
    >> and States over things they are doing, but I suspect Trump is setting
    >> all time records for the number of them.. B)

    He has set records. Yaysayers point out that it is proof that "they" are
    >"out to get him," while naysayers point out that he wouldn't be in trouble
    >if he, and his administration, stopped breaking the law.

    The yaysayers may be right in a few individual cases but, overall, I think
    >the naysayers are 100% correct in their view of the matter. ;)

    I think you may have a point there.. B)

    The thing about new tariffs on movies not made in the USA is going
    to be a real mess. Trump has backed off saying it's for National
    Security and just going with they should make all the movies you
    guys see in the USA so they make all the production money there
    although, like with a lot of things, there are going to be financial
    reasons why many movies made by American companies are filmed partially
    or totally in Canada. They were saying that in a lot of cases it's
    cheaper to do it here and we have good sites for making movies, but
    I'd imagine you could duplicate those sites somewhere in your country.
    Most things tend to boil down to money, and maybe certain talents when
    it comes to things like movie making. I'm sure they have good reasons
    for making the movies here so any attempt to force that to change
    will likely have some sort of negative impact on the industry there.

    The Premier of British Columbia, where they make a lot of movies
    working with American companies, when asked about it just came
    out and said that Trump is an 'A-Hole'.. Something a lot of
    people might like to say on the National news but most resist
    the temptation better than he did. B)

    The next fun thing.. I couldn't believe this one but they showed
    a clip of an interview with Trump today and he was saying how he
    definitely wants Canada to become part of the USA, and when the
    interviewer asked him if he'd consider using the military to make
    sure that happens, Trump said he wouldn't rule that out..

    By the time you see this the meeting between Trump and Carney
    may have already happened. Can't wait to hear how that went..

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