Anyone willing to predict what this week's voter turnout will
be?

In 2022 is was the lowest ever, and it was summer! This year
there are at least two things that might contribute to a low
turnout: [1] the post storm weather a week ago, and [2] this
being a truly unnecessary election.

Gleened from https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/ontario- records-lowest-voter-turnout-in-election-history/

"Ontario records lowest voter turnout in election history
By Katherine DeClerq

Published: June 03, 2022 at 10:30AM EDT

"While the Progressive Conservatives may have won a sweeping
victory Thursday night, a large majority of Ontarians decided
not to bother heading to the polls.

"The province recorded the lowest voter turnout in history
during the 2022 election, with just about 43.5 per cent of
eligible voters casting a ballot according to preliminary
Elections Ontario results.

"Of the just over 10.7 million registered voters in the
province, this equals just over 4.6 million votes cast.

My town had a scheduled townhall meeting of the candidates for
my riding a few days ago, and [1] very few people turned up,
and [2] two of the considered primary leaders (PC and Liberal)
were no shows! Perhaps the 4 Nations hockey series was a factor
since that was on the same night. Dunno.



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Anyone willing to predict what this week's voter turnout will

>be?

In 2022 is was the lowest ever, and it was summer! This year

>there are at least two things that might contribute to a low
>turnout: [1] the post storm weather a week ago, and [2] this
>being a truly unnecessary election.

I expect pretty low turnout again. As you suggested weather has
some effect but you could also vote by mail with a bit of online
hassle to avoid driving to the polling stations.

The biggest issue may be that, although medium to lower income
people normally tend to not vote for the Conservatives, things
have not been totally horrible under Ford and people have been
down on the Liberals for a while now.. and the NDP party plans
generally want to bankrupt the Province by giving things they
can't afford to the lower income people.

I think the federal election will more of a zoo.. I'd have a
hard time wanting any of those running put in charge..

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I think the federal election will more of a zoo.. I'd have a
hard time wanting any of those running put in charge..

Sounds like our last election. I didn't want either of the two top party choices being put in charge, but knew no matter what I did one of them
would be.


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I think the federal election will more of a zoo.. I'd have a

>> hard time wanting any of those running put in charge..

Sounds like our last election. I didn't want either of the two top party

>choices being put in charge, but knew no matter what I did one of them
>would be.

Definitely know the feeling, although they tend to give us more political parties in Canada to choose from, sometimes 5 or 6 but only the top 3
usually have much chance of gaining enough power to do anything, and
really, it's more just the top 2. Our Liberals and Conservatives who are
like your Democrats and Republicans.

All the talking we are doing about Trump doesn't mean we were all that
happy with Trudeau. He seems a nice guy but tends to cave in to every
minority group that wants something, and that something is almost
always expressed in dollars.

His other cave in was to increased immigration which caused a housing
shortage and was a big part of the rising cost of housing in Canada.

He was likely elected because his father Pierre Elliot Trudeau was
Prime Minister here for over 15 years from 1968 to 1984.
As I recall it, his father was a tougher politician than he is..

Speaking of immigration.. I hear Trump is offering to move people
to the front of the waiting line to get into the USA if they pay
$5 Million to get there..

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Definitely know the feeling, although they tend to give us more political parties in Canada to choose from, sometimes 5 or 6 but only the top 3
usually have much chance of gaining enough power to do anything, and
really, it's more just the top 2. Our Liberals and Conservatives who are
like your Democrats and Republicans.

We usually do have at least a third choice. For President this year, I
think there were at least 3 other choices in KY. The problem is that the
top two parties control who can get on the ballot in each state. In many states, the rules are set up so it is darn near impossible for a 3rd+
choice to get on the ballot, so those 3 additional choices on my ballot were not on the ballot in every state.

Ironically, while my state makes it difficult to get on the ballot, it also makes it difficult to be removed. One of the "extra" choices dropped out
right after they got on the ballot, but they were still there on election
day.

All the talking we are doing about Trump doesn't mean we were all that
happy with Trudeau. He seems a nice guy but tends to cave in to every minority group that wants something, and that something is almost
always expressed in dollars.

Yeah, I have noticed that. I have also seen footage where he also acts
quite erratically... didn't he slap some lady in Parliment once?

His other cave in was to increased immigration which caused a housing shortage and was a big part of the rising cost of housing in Canada.

The increase got covered here pretty well, but the rise in cost of housing
was not covered so well. That does make unfortunate sense.

He was likely elected because his father Pierre Elliot Trudeau was
Prime Minister here for over 15 years from 1968 to 1984.
As I recall it, his father was a tougher politician than he is..

That is what we always hear down here... his father was tougher and better.

Speaking of immigration.. I hear Trump is offering to move people
to the front of the waiting line to get into the USA if they pay
$5 Million to get there..

Yeah, supposedly that is a program that already exists but I had never
heard of it before. There is some part of it that Trump has added, but
there supposedly was already a program where someone with lots of money,
who wants to move their money here, could pay to be moved ahead.

I was surprised to hear that it supposedly exists already. <shrugs>


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All the talking we are doing about Trump doesn't mean we were all that

>> happy with Trudeau. He seems a nice guy but tends to cave in to every
>> minority group that wants something, and that something is almost
>> always expressed in dollars.

Yeah, I have noticed that. I have also seen footage where he also acts

>quite erratically... didn't he slap some lady in Parliment once?

I was trying to think what that referred to.. All I could come up
with was back in 2016 when he was trying to get by some woman and
she claimed she was elbowed by him. It likely happened but was
probably accidental and they wanted to make a 'thing' out of it.
I'm definitely not trying to blindly stand up for him, I just
figure what I know about his personality, that didn't sound right.

Something that came up on the news today, probably not surprising
the list of countries and income vs housing costs, Canada came in
2nd last out of dozens of countries. Some like France are actually
more affordable now than they were 10 years ago. They somehow came up
with percentage figures and they said Canada was 38% less affordable
than in 2015. What surprised me a bit was that the USA was not a
huge amount better at 30%, although your rank wasn't given.

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Something that came up on the news today, probably not surprising
the list of countries and income vs housing costs, Canada came in
2nd last out of dozens of countries. Some like France are actually
more affordable now than they were 10 years ago. They somehow came up
with percentage figures and they said Canada was 38% less affordable
than in 2015. What surprised me a bit was that the USA was not a
huge amount better at 30%, although your rank wasn't given.

I suspect, although I am not certain, that this is because people/banks/companies are/were buying up residential property as if it
were a speculative investment and not because they were going to live there.

I may not be explaining that exactly right, but I suspect that is part of
the reason that the property market has become less affordable for the
average "I want to live in that home" buyer.

Mike


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Something that came up on the news today, probably not surprising

>> the list of countries and income vs housing costs, Canada came in
>> 2nd last out of dozens of countries. Some like France are actually
>> more affordable now than they were 10 years ago. They somehow came up
>> with percentage figures and they said Canada was 38% less affordable
>> than in 2015. What surprised me a bit was that the USA was not a
>> huge amount better at 30%, although your rank wasn't given.

I suspect, although I am not certain, that this is because

>people/banks/companies are/were buying up residential property as if it
>were a speculative investment and not because they were going to live there.

I may not be explaining that exactly right, but I suspect that is part of

>the reason that the property market has become less affordable for the
>average "I want to live in that home" buyer.

It could be. They have stopped a lot of people, mostly ultra rich from
China, from buying houses in Canada and then just holding onto them
to sell later at a profit. The gov't was working on blocking that or
charging high taxes if they didn't at least rent the places out.

In this area what we have run into the past few years was at least
one Russian Oligarch buying up lake front properties and resorts,
lots and lots of them, many for millions of dollars each. He is at
least hiring property managers to keep renting the places out but
it's part of what is driving prices up here.

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