Thread for cheap compact handguns like the Raven 25.

The Raven 25 is a low cost, cast ZAMAK .25 ACP pocket pistol, possibly a Browning 1905 clone.

It has a capacity of 6+1, and has a 2 inch fixed barrel.

It uses a simple single action striker-fired design, the gun must be cycled to prime it.

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Thread for cheap compact handguns like the Raven 25.

The Raven 25 is a low cost, cast ZAMAK .25 ACP pocket pistol, possibly
a Browning 1905 clone.

It has a capacity of 6+1, and has a 2 inch fixed barrel.

It uses a simple single action striker-fired design, the gun must be cycled to prime it.

I have to admit to a fondness for mouseguns in general. In terms of "Saturday Night Specials" I've got a Sundance A25 and a slightly higher tier Phoenix HP25A. Also have a pair of NAA .22 WMR revolvers, a Standard Manufacturing "Switch-Gun" in .22 WMR, a Baretta 950BS in .22 short. I've also got a VERY nice Colt 1908 "vest-pocket" pistol in .25 ACP. There's also an interesting EIG model E-16 4-barreled pistol in the safe.

I'd have to say that my Sundance A25 and your Raven 25 are probably a LOT closer in design to anything Browning might have produced. In fact, if I were to consider anything a clone of that 1905 Browning it would be my Colt 1908.

An AI comparison of the Raven and the 1905 - which DOES appear to be highly accurate:

The Browning 1905 (FN Model 1905) and the Raven .25 are both .25 ACP "mouse guns" designed for deep concealment. The Browning is a premium, historically significant John Moses Browning design, whereas the Raven is a mass-produced, inexpensive Saturday Night Special.Key Comparison

Feature Browning Model 1905 / Baby Browning Raven MP-25

Origin/Era Designed in 1905, manufactured by Produced from the 1970s to the 1990s
FN and Colt (as the 1908 Vest Pocket). by Raven Arms.

Build Quality High. Precision-machined steel and Low. Zinc alloy castings (often
excellent fit and finish. referred to as a "Saturday Night
Special").

Action Striker-fired, single-action, Striker-fired, singleaction,
blowback-operated. blowback-operated.

Safety Features Includes a manual safety and a Features a simple thumb safety;
distinct grip safety . lacks a grip safety.

Reliability Generally excellent and highly Mixed; frequently suffers from
reliable. feedingissues and part breakage.

Collectibility High. Highly sought after by military Low. Valued mostly as an inexpensive
and firearms historians. plinker or novelty

The Caliber: .25 ACPBoth pistols are chambered in .25 ACP, a cartridge designed by John Browning in 1905. He created it to serve as a reliable, centerfire alternative to the .22 Long Rifle (which suffered from poor reliability in semi-automatic actions at the time). The .25 ACP is extremely manageable to shoot, but it is considered quite weak for modern personal defense, producing low velocity and limited penetration.

The Bottom Line

If you want a piece of history: The Browning is the way to go. It is a masterpiece of early 20th-century gunsmithing, features exceptional craftsmanship, and holds legitimate historical value.

If you want a cheap shooter/beater: The Raven may appeal as a budget-friendly range toy. However, due to its cast-zinc components, it is not recommended for daily carry or serious use.


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Wow, my apologies for that post. Looks like crap. Forgot to set my text editor to 80 columns, and the wrap looks like it happened at column 108 or something. Ooops!

Logic44 wrote to All <=-

Thread for cheap compact handguns like the Raven 25.

The Raven 25 is a low cost, cast ZAMAK .25 ACP pocket pistol, possibly a Browning 1905 clone.

It has a capacity of 6+1, and has a 2 inch fixed barrel.

It uses a simple single action striker-fired design, the gun must be cycled to prime it.

I have to admit to a fondness for mouseguns in general. In terms of "Saturday Night Specials" I've got a Sundance A25 and a slightly higher tier Phoenix HP25A. Also have a pair of NAA .22 WMR revolvers, a Standard Manufacturing "Switch-Gun" in .22 WMR, a Baretta 950BS in .22 short. I've also got a VERY nice Colt 1908 "vest-pocket" pistol in .25 ACP. There's also an interesting EIG model E-16 4-barreled pistol in the safe.

I'd have to say that my Sundance A25 and your Raven 25 are probably a LOT closer in design to anything Browning might have produced. In fact, if I were to consider anything a clone of that 1905 Browning it would be my Colt 1908.

An AI comparison of the Raven and the 1905 - which DOES appear to be highly accurate:

The Browning 1905 (FN Model 1905) and the Raven .25 are both .25 ACP "mouse guns" designed for deep concealment. The Browning is a premium, historically significant John Moses Browning design, whereas the Raven is a mass-produced, inexpensive Saturday Night Special.Key Comparison

Feature Browning Model 1905 / Baby Browning Raven MP-25

Origin/Era Designed in 1905, manufactured by Produced from the 1970s to the 1990s
FN and Colt (as the 1908 Vest Pocket). by Raven Arms.

Build Quality High. Precision-machined steel and Low. Zinc alloy castings (often
excellent fit and finish. referred to as a "Saturday Night
Special").

Action Striker-fired, single-action, Striker-fired, singleaction,
blowback-operated. blowback-operated.

Safety Features Includes a manual safety and a Features a simple thumb safety;
distinct grip safety . lacks a grip safety.

Reliability Generally excellent and highly Mixed; frequently suffers from
reliable. feedingissues and part breakage.

Collectibility High. Highly sought after by military Low. Valued mostly as an inexpensive
and firearms historians. plinker or novelty

The Caliber: .25 ACPBoth pistols are chambered in .25 ACP, a cartridge designed by John Browning in 1905. He created it to serve as a reliable, centerfire alternative to the .22 Long Rifle (which suffered from poor reliability in semi-automatic actions at the time). The .25 ACP is extremely manageable to shoot, but it is considered quite weak for modern personal defense, producing low velocity and limited penetration.

The Bottom Line

If you want a piece of history: The Browning is the way to go. It is a masterpiece of early 20th-century gunsmithing, features exceptional craftsmanship, and holds legitimate historical value.

If you want a cheap shooter/beater: The Raven may appeal as a budget-friendly range toy. However, due to its cast-zinc components, it is not recommended for daily carry or serious use.

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