As an outsider I guess I just don't understand the intention of removing
Trump from the CO ballot when he has not been tried or convicted of an
offense? How is this at all legal?

Nick

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Nick Andre wrote to All <=-

As an outsider I guess I just don't understand the intention of
removing Trump from the CO ballot when he has not been tried or
convicted of an offense? How is this at all legal?

It is almost certainly NOT legal. I predict the US Supreme Court will
rather quickly put an end to Colorado's blatant attempt at election fraud.

Hopefully the un-elected officials/judges who allowed this to happen see
the inside of a jail cell.



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Hello Nick,

Wednesday December 20 2023 19:55, you wrote to All:

As an outsider I guess I just don't understand the intention of
removing Trump from the CO ballot when he has not been tried or
convicted of an offense? How is this at all legal?

Democrats all over the US have been emboldened to violate laws because Resident Burden a.k.a. Crook-In-Chief has been doing so for 47 years now in "public service".

Two things to note:

- This decision has been appealed to the Supreme Court.

- Republicans in Colorado have threatened to switch from the primary voting system to the caucus voting system which no "justice" (LOL) can do anything about because a caucus system works completely different and cannot be regulated by a court.

Simply put, the Colorado court made asses out of themselves, their state, and the justice system by trying by any means not to let Trump win their state.

If you notice, the entire left (well, the communist left; a real Democrat wouldn't do this stuff) is trying to stop any way they can even if they deliberately rub their faces in shit publicly. They know if Trump wins, it's game over.

With RINOs like Desantis and Haley in the running and wildcards like Ramaswamy in there with very distasteful ideas and a lack of experience in the real world, there's really no one else running on the Republican side. On the left, it seems everyone wants Biden gone but none of them have the balls to run against Joe Bribin'.

The shit will hit the fan even harder the closer it comes to November. I'm interested in seeing what desperate and ill-advised tomfoolery the left will pull off to try to stop Trump.

I read an article today about the oil and gas industry believe Trudeau is onhis way out the door in 2025. Interesting read. Seems like all of Canada has had it with Justin Castro, I mean, Trudeau.

-- Sean

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Hello Gamgee,

Wednesday December 20 2023 21:20, you wrote to Nick Andre:

Hopefully the un-elected officials/judges who allowed this to happen
see the inside of a jail cell.

They've shown themselves to be completely incompetent. This should come as no surprise. Colorado, like California, used to be a great state. Like California, once the left got control, it turned into a shithole much like every leftist-controlled territory.

-- Sean

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On 20 Dec 23 23:21:07, Sean Dennis said the following to Nick Andre:

I read an article today about the oil and gas industry believe Trudeau is onhis way out the door in 2025. Interesting read. Seems like all of Canad has had it with Justin Castro, I mean, Trudeau.

Pierre Poullievre is becoming a serious challenger to Trudeau but don't underestimate how rampant liberalism runs up here or the progressive-conservative party royally screwing themselves in the end.

Nick

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To: Nick Andre
Re: Due process?
By: Nick Andre to All on Wed Dec 20 2023 07:55 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.debate

As an outsider I guess I just don't understand the intention of removing Trump from the CO ballot when he has not been tried or convicted of an offense? How is this at all legal?

There's an insurrection thing in the constitution.
"Section 3 of the 14th Amendment was written to keep former confederates from returning to government office. It reads:

"No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability."

The provision was used often in the years immediately after the Civil War, but fell into disuse after Congress granted an amnesty to many confederate veterans in 1872. The only record of it being used in the 20th century, according to legal scholars, was as justification in refusing to seat a socialist congressman in 1919 because he opposed U.S. involvement in World War I."

They want to eliminate the ability for Trump to run. That's been their gameplan all along. Even though at his speech trump literally said "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

I'm pretty sure you can just write him into the ballot.

If we DO have another election, I'm sure it will be full of fraud anyways.
i'm not even sure I'm even going to vote.
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As an outsider I guess I just don't understand the intention of removing Trump from the CO ballot when he has not been tried or convicted of an offense? How is this at all legal?

I am a Republican who is trying to take emotion out of it.

The case was not brought by Democrats but was apparently initially brought forth by the Colorado Republican Electors who questioned whether or not
Trump should be on their ballot per the US 14th Amendment, which removes the rights of persons involved in insurrection from holding office -- this amendment was put into place to prevent Civil War era Southern politicians
from holding office after the war.

There was a court case that included testimony and Trump lawyers, so Trump
did indeed have due process. The lower court ruled that Trump was certainly
an insurrectionist but that the Colorado SoS did NOT have the authority to remove him from the ballot. BOTH parties, the party that brought the case
AND Trump's team, asked the Supreme Court in Colorado to review. So,
again, more due process.

As part of the review, they cited a 2012 case where then Judge and now US Supreme Court Justice Neal Gorsuch ruled that Colorado could remove from
the state ballot a candidate who was not eligible to hold the office of President per the US Constitution -- in this case, he was not a natural
born citizen.

The Colorado Supreme Court concluded 4-3 that the lower court was correct in labeling Trump an insurrectionist BUT that the lower court was incorrect about ballot removal. They ruled that Trump was not eligible to hold future office, per the 14th Amendment, and that the Colorado SoS therefore had a legal obligation to remove him from the ballot.

The desenting opition was that Trump has yet to be convicted of
insurrection and therefore was not in violation of the 14th Amendment. So
they are questioning due process from that angle.

Trump has appealed to the Supreme Court.

IMHO, there are three possible outcomes here:

(1) The Court can rule that he is not an insurectionist -- this is the only
way out I really see -- and therefore is eligible to hold office per
the 14th Amendment;
(2) They can uphold the lower courts in agreeing that he is/may be an insurrectionist but that the 14th Amendment does not apply to him -- this
one would be dangerous as he was a sworn officer of the US so it almost has
to apply. This was part of the lower court's initial decision -- that it
did not apply;
(3) They can, per the Amendment, kick it back to Congress to decide.
Congress can reinstate a candidates right to hold office by a 2/3rds
majority vote in both houses -- as the Republicans don't hold a majority in
the Senate, I don't see this working out for Trump.

To read the whole court ruling, see here: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/20/1220583273/trump-colorado-supreme-court-ruling

I don't agree that he is an insurrectionist so that is where I question the ruling.


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Hello Nick,

Thursday December 21 2023 01:50, you wrote to me:

Pierre Poullievre is becoming a serious challenger to Trudeau but
don't underestimate how rampant liberalism runs up here or the
progressive-conservative party royally screwing themselves in the
end.

Much like how Biden won by 81 million votes. That's like how the Easter Bunny and I shared a drink last Saturday.

-- Sean

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Hello Mike,

Thursday December 21 2023 10:21, you wrote to NICK ANDRE:

I don't agree that he is an insurrectionist so that is where I
question the ruling.

All the Colorado Republican Party needs to do is switch to a caucus system and all of this is for naught.

This is just pure, unfettered desperation by the left to keep grasp on percieved power.

I think Hunter Biden is regretting being his family mafia's collection boy right now.

-- Sean

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Re: Due process?
By: Sean Dennis to Mike Powell on Thu Dec 21 2023 13:10:11

I don't agree that he is an insurrectionist so that is where I
question the ruling.

All the Colorado Republican Party needs to do is switch to a caucus system and all of this is for naught.

I think they need to solve the insurrection question for it to go away. I would rather them get that over with
now than after he gets elected. If the courts determine such after he is elected, it would be a serious mess.

"Determine such = he is an insurrectionist"

Mike
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Nick Andre wrote to All <=-

As an outsider I guess I just don't understand the intention of
removing Trump from the CO ballot when he has not been tried or
convicted of an offense? How is this at all legal?

According to the findings of the Colorado supreme court, Trump was
found to have participated in insurrection, and as such, is
disqualified for running for or holding office according to the 14th
amendment. There's no requirement for trying or convicting a person in
the amendment.

Because of this, the court ruled that he should not be on the CO
primary ballot.



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Gamgee wrote to Nick Andre <=-

It is almost certainly NOT legal. I predict the US Supreme Court will rather quickly put an end to Colorado's blatant attempt at election
fraud.

We'll see - I think the decision that the supreme court makes could
make or break it.

Hopefully the un-elected officials/judges who allowed this to happen
see the inside of a jail cell.

On what charge?



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Kurt Weiske wrote to Gamgee <=-

It is almost certainly NOT legal. I predict the US Supreme Court will rather quickly put an end to Colorado's blatant attempt at election
fraud.

We'll see - I think the decision that the supreme court makes
could make or break it.

Hopefully the un-elected officials/judges who allowed this to happen
see the inside of a jail cell.

On what charge?

As stated above; election fraud. Manipulation. Voter suppression. You
know, the same ones that have been used ad nauseum for the last few
years, only pointed in the other direction this time.



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To: Sean Dennis
Re: Due process?
By: Sean Dennis to Nick Andre on Thu Dec 21 2023 01:08 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.debate

Hello Nick,

Thursday December 21 2023 01:50, you wrote to me:

Pierre Poullievre is becoming a serious challenger to Trudeau but
don't underestimate how rampant liberalism runs up here or the
progressive-conservative party royally screwing themselves in the
end.

Much like how Biden won by 81 million votes. That's like how the Easter Bunny and I shared a drink last Saturday.

yeah, more people voted for biden than obama. yeah fucking right.
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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: Due process?
By: Kurt Weiske to Nick Andre on Thu Dec 21 2023 04:11 pm

According to the findings of the Colorado supreme court, Trump was
found to have participated in insurrection, and as such, is
disqualified for running for or holding office according to the 14th
amendment. There's no requirement for trying or convicting a person in
the amendment.

Because of this, the court ruled that he should not be on the CO
primary ballot.

well when trump is president he can have that amendment changed! :D
i wish there WAS an insurrection. it was just people walking around after being let in.

i wish all those crooked politicians were hung upside down and gutted.
they're all criminals who sold out the american people.

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Gamgee wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

As stated above; election fraud. Manipulation. Voter suppression.
You know, the same ones that have been used ad nauseum for the last few years, only pointed in the other direction this time.

We'll see how this plays out.



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Jas Hud wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

well when trump is president he can have that amendment changed! :D
i wish there WAS an insurrection. it was just people walking around
after being let in.

An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of
Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention
called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by
three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions
called in each State for ratification.

Good luck with that.



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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: Due process?
By: Kurt Weiske to Jas Hud on Fri Dec 22 2023 09:00 am

An amendment may be proposed by a two-thirds vote of both Houses of Congress, or, if two-thirds of the States request one, by a convention called for that purpose. The amendment must then be ratified by three-fourths of the State legislatures, or three-fourths of conventions called in each State for ratification.

Good luck with that.

Yeah our govt can't decide on what to have for lunch.


Maybe we should just do a real insurrection and take the country back from
our evil lizard people overlords.


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According to the findings of the Colorado supreme court, Trump was
found to have participated in insurrection, and as such, is
disqualified for running for or holding office according to the 14th
amendment. There's no requirement for trying or convicting a person in
the amendment.

My question would be whether or not the Colorado courts had jurisdiction to determine that he participated in an insurrection that did not occur
within their state borders. I would think not.


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To: Mike Powell
Re: Re: Due process?
By: Mike Powell to KURT WEISKE on Tue Dec 26 2023 02:36 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.debate

According to the findings of the Colorado supreme court, Trump was
found to have participated in insurrection, and as such, is
disqualified for running for or holding office according to the 14th
amendment. There's no requirement for trying or convicting a person in
the amendment.

My question would be whether or not the Colorado courts had jurisdiction to determine that he participated in an insurrection that did not occur
within their state borders. I would think not.

there's been reports that trump tried to 'grab the wheel' and lunge at secret service agents so he could go to the capital. that's from people that hate him.

trump could have gone there and possibly stopped those people who were causing problems (i think most of them were antifa,etc).

Our govt is so corrupt. We can't trust anything. We need an entire new structure for parts of our govt and its staff.
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trump could have gone there and possibly stopped those people who were causing
roblems (i think most of them were antifa,etc).

There is pretty decent evidence that at least some of them were antifa.

Mike


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Mike Powell wrote to JAS HUD <=-

There is pretty decent evidence that at least some of them were antifa.

How about the guys waving "TRUMP 2020" banners?



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To: Mike Powell
Re: Re: Due process?
By: Mike Powell to JAS HUD on Wed Dec 27 2023 09:04 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.debate

trump could have gone there and possibly stopped those people who were causing
roblems (i think most of them were antifa,etc).

There is pretty decent evidence that at least some of them were antifa.

Mike

there's that one black dude that was antifa and pretending to be a trump supporter. there were a bunch of people who just go around to cause shit.
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My question would be whether or not the Colorado courts had
jurisdiction to determine that he participated in an insurrection
that did not occur within their state borders. I would think not.

They don't, of course, but the left's raging arrogance and their
predilection for knowing so many things that just aren't so has, in fact, actually given Trump's cause even more support and has caused the left wind
up with more egg on their face.

It seems that more and more state supreme courts are not making the same mistake the formerly great state of Colorado made by getting involved in denying voters the right to decide who they want as president just to show others on the left that they also see themselves as being so arrogant and self-important that they get involved in things that don't actually involve them and instead embarrass them and their state.

Side note: I've always found it hilarious that the same group who pushes DEI put a decrepit, rich (by crime), senile old man in as president.

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Jas Hud wrote to Mike Powell <=-

there were a bunch of people who just go around to cause shit.

Oh, you mean like the FBI and the DOJ who both are part of Obama
and Biden's Stasi?

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To: Kurt Weiske
Re: Re: Due process?
By: Kurt Weiske to Mike Powell on Wed Dec 27 2023 09:04 am

From Newsgroup: micronet.debate

Mike Powell wrote to JAS HUD <=-

There is pretty decent evidence that at least some of them were antifa.

How about the guys waving "TRUMP 2020" banners?

some of those were antifa guys. that black dude i was talking about was
wearing a maga hat. i'm trying to find his name but he was busted online for his bullshit. he was a for profit antifa.
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To: Digimaus
Re: Re: Due process?
By: Digimaus to Jas Hud on Wed Dec 27 2023 01:39 pm

From Newsgroup: micronet.debate

Jas Hud wrote to Mike Powell <=-

there were a bunch of people who just go around to cause shit.

Oh, you mean like the FBI and the DOJ who both are part of Obama
and Biden's Stasi?

yeah regular people and the pros like fbi doj and cia.
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Mike Powell wrote to JAS HUD <=-

There is pretty decent evidence that at least some of them were antifa.

How about the guys waving "TRUMP 2020" banners?

If I had attended a 2020 Summer of Love event waiving a Biden/Harris
banner, would that be any proof of a Biden/Harris supporter?

OTOH, at least one of the folks arrested at the 1/6 rally, who was caught
on tape inciting the crowd to storm the Capitol, were outed by their family back in Utah as being an antifa/BLM supporter who'd participated in 2020
Summer of Love events before 1/6.

So there is that.


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there's that one black dude that was antifa and pretending to be a trump suppo
er. there were a bunch of people who just go around to cause shit.

Yes, his family back in Utah (or somewhere out in the SW) outed him as antifa/BLM. Ooops.


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My question would be whether or not the Colorado courts had
jurisdiction to determine that he participated in an insurrection
that did not occur within their state borders. I would think not.

They don't, of course, but the left's raging arrogance and their
predilection for knowing so many things that just aren't so has, in fact, actually given Trump's cause even more support and has caused the left wind up with more egg on their face.

That may have. OTOH, the surfacing of yet another "(not) perfect phone
call" between Trump and some voting officials, this time in Michigan, has caused some of his polling to shift.

Instead of "finding votes," this one was asking them not to do their duty
and certify results.

Side note: I've always found it hilarious that the same group who pushes DEI put a decrepit, rich (by crime), senile old man in as president.

Don't forget old white man. ;)


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Hello Mike,

Thursday December 28 2023 08:31, you wrote to me:

That may have. OTOH, the surfacing of yet another "(not) perfect
phone call" between Trump and some voting officials, this time in Michigan, has caused some of his polling to shift.

Yes, it's bad if Trump does it, but the left can do whatever they want without any punishment.

Besides, polls are garbage. The 2016 election proved that. I have not yet, in my adulthood, ever been contacted about a poll.

Instead of "finding votes," this one was asking them not to do their
duty and certify results.

Sound familiar? Like how Biden won with "81 million votes"?

Anyone who thinks both sides don't do each other dirty are either blissfully ingorant or completely obtuse.

Don't forget old white man. ;)

Oh, how could I forget racist also. These Gen Zers don't know who Strum Thermond was. How convienent.

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That may have. OTOH, the surfacing of yet another "(not) perfect
phone call" between Trump and some voting officials, this time in Michigan, has caused some of his polling to shift.

Yes, it's bad if Trump does it, but the left can do whatever they want without >ny punishment.

Indeed. Their bar is set much lower when it comes to the expectation of upholding the law.

Besides, polls are garbage. The 2016 election proved that. I have not yet, in
my adulthood, ever been contacted about a poll.

They've been especially garbage for the past 8 years. Due to the recent
media attention to Trump's actions on 1/6, I went back and re-read his
speech. Ironically (or not), he cites his leads in the polls as evidence
the election was stolen.

Instead of "finding votes," this one was asking them not to do their duty and certify results.

Sound familiar? Like how Biden won with "81 million votes"?

Anyone who thinks both sides don't do each other dirty are either blissfully i
orant or completely obtuse.

Unfortunately, we are not aware of any recorded phone calls where the Biden team asked for more votes to be found/manufactured. They do bad things, no doubt, but are better at covering them up and leaving less evidence...
or the people with knowledge "commit suicide."

Don't forget old white man. ;)

Oh, how could I forget racist also. These Gen Zers don't know who Strum Therm
d was. How convienent.

And they think Abraham Lincoln was a racist.


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