Folks -

Thought I'd share this tidbit in a thread I saw on usenet.

A telnet server with an interactive world map:

telnet mapscii.me

They use map data from openstreetmap. The OP and respondents to the thread said you have to use real telnet to get in there. Supposedly it's not pure ascii because they use colors and braille unicode. You can move around using vi keys. It's dope enjoy.

Head over to alt.ascii-art if you have time.

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Thought I'd share this tidbit in a thread I saw on usenet.

A telnet server with an interactive world map:

YES!

This is exactly the content I was looking for. I was thinking how can I make my local bike trail system into ascii to put on the cycling message base of my BBS and you may have just found me an answer to that question!

Thanks for the share!

73, N2QFD

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On 14 May 2024, n2qfd said the following...

Thought I'd share this tidbit in a thread I saw on usenet.

A telnet server with an interactive world map:

YES!

This is exactly the content I was looking for. I was thinking how can I make my local bike trail system into ascii to put on the cycling message base of my BBS and you may have just found me an answer to that
question!

Wow, ok I'm glad someone could use it. Somewhat unexpected but great!

... ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI.

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Wow, ok I'm glad someone could use it. Somewhat unexpected but great!

So, a little background. I'm a CAD draftsman who works in civil engineering and have been an engineering tech and survey tech for the last 20 years so maps are very much my thing!

Thanks again for the post, very fun.

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A telnet server with an interactive world map:
telnet mapscii.me

They use map data from openstreetmap. The OP and respondents to the
thread said you have to use real telnet to get in there. Supposedly it's not pure ascii because they use colors and braille unicode. You can move around using vi keys. It's dope enjoy.

How do we zoom in??? I've used this before and know I could manipulate the map a lot more...



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On 15 May 2024, paulie420 said the following...

A telnet server with an interactive world map:
telnet mapscii.me

They use map data from openstreetmap. The OP and respondents to the thread said you have to use real telnet to get in there. Supposedly i not pure ascii because they use colors and braille unicode. You can m around using vi keys. It's dope enjoy.

How do we zoom in??? I've used this before and know I could manipulate
the map a lot more...

pAULIE42o
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According to the OP, zoom is a & z

D

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According to the OP, zoom is a & z

D

... I'm not lost, I'm exploring alternative routes

Here when I'm using it via my command terminal it responds with the mouse wheel for zooming just like Google Earth or CAD (so it wasn't developed by anyone from ArcGIS!)

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On 15 May 2024, paulie420 said the following...

A telnet server with an interactive world map:
telnet mapscii.me

They use map data from openstreetmap. The OP and respondents to the thread said you have to use real telnet to get in there. Supposedly i not pure ascii because they use colors and braille unicode. You can m around using vi keys. It's dope enjoy.

How do we zoom in??? I've used this before and know I could manipulate
the map a lot more...

I just tried it for the first time. Zoomed in right to my street - amazing.

It took a while to find though - since there aren't any street labels.

D

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It took a while to find though - since there aren't any street labels.

It was tmux. When I opened it on a normal terminal the street names appeared. So cool!

D

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It's strangely rewarding to me to see other people who love to play with maps.

I forget that not everyone pours over aerial photography all day. I guess being a draftsman working in civil engineering has shaped me a little more than I thought!

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It's strangely rewarding to me to see other people who love to play with maps.
I forget that not everyone pours over aerial photography all day. I guess being a draftsman working in civil engineering has shaped me a little more than I thought!

I'm obsessed with maps. To the point that I avoid Google Maps sometimes because I know I'm going to get lost. Sat imagery is also a problem.. its worse.. I can go for hours on Sat imagery. Especially if I'm hunting a place down.


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On 03 Jun 2024, TheNerd said the following...

I'm obsessed with maps. To the point that I avoid Google Maps sometimes because I know I'm going to get lost. Sat imagery is also a problem.. its worse.. I can go for hours on Sat imagery. Especially if I'm
hunting a place down.

i had a friend who was quite amazed by the paper city maps i have in my car.. for example the little index for looking up street names with the "column" and "row' to find them on the map.. and then the blown up section of downtown. seems like another thing they might not teach in school anymore ..

i have one for each of the nearby cities plus the state one.. don't really need them, but then again if i take them out of the car, i'll end up with a dead phone off somewhere i'm unfamiliar with and then i'll regret taking them out :)

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i had a friend who was quite amazed by the paper city maps i have in my car.. for example the little index for looking up street names with the

I've long since abandoned paper but I grew up with it as well. I remember going on family road trips and getting in trouble for stealing the map book because I was pouring over it. My kid looks at me like an idiot when I talk about paper maps. All they know is GPS..

I have maps on my walls. Thats how much I love maps. I almost missed a plane in St Louis last year because I got staring at a state map on the wall. It had a huge legend... OMG. legends... remember legends... you don't really see them on Google Maps.. they just kinda assume you know or they just label it on mouse over.. but the little itch it would scratch in your head to see a line that you didn't know, you look at the legend and poof you knew. Not quicker.. just satisfying.


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On 03 Jun 2024, n2qfd said the following...

It's strangely rewarding to me to see other people who love to play with maps.

I forget that not everyone pours over aerial photography all day. I guess being a draftsman working in civil engineering has shaped me a little more than I thought!

Being a airman makes me a bit of a map nerd. And a weather nerd. Bunch of other things I won't mention.

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On 03 Jun 2024, TheNerd said the following...

It's strangely rewarding to me to see other people who love to play w maps.
I forget that not everyone pours over aerial photography all day. I guess being a draftsman working in civil engineering has shaped me a little more than I thought!

I'm obsessed with maps. To the point that I avoid Google Maps sometimes because I know I'm going to get lost. Sat imagery is also a problem.. its worse.. I can go for hours on Sat imagery. Especially if I'm
hunting a place down.

I used to read those all the time, back when they'd sit at the endcap in the supermarket grocery line.

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fusion wrote to TheNerd <=-

i had a friend who was quite amazed by the paper city maps i have in my car.. for example the little index for looking up street names with the "column" and "row' to find them on the map.. and then the blown up
section of downtown. seems like another thing they might not teach in school anymore ..

I hope Thomas' Guides are still in business. Those were invaluable -
and will come in handy when people decide that having a device that
checks in with the GPS network isn't such a great idea. :)


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TheNerd wrote to fusion <=-

I have maps on my walls. Thats how much I love maps.

In college, friends of mine moved into an old victorian flat in San
Francisco - back then, most of the rentals in central SF were old
victorian flats in various states of repair.

They had a housewarming party and asked people to bring maps. I didn't
understand, until I came back the week afterwards and they'd covered
all of the dingy, stained walls in the living room with maps,
interwoven. It looked very cool.

In retrospect, nowadays, in a rent-controlled world, I'd buy a 5 gallon
can of satin white paint, rent a carpet shampooer, and DIY - and not
tell the landlord. I knew so many people who made waves waiting for
landlords to clean places, when picking up and finding a new place was
always more expensive. Better and cheaper to make your space
comfortable and eat the cost, I'd think now.

Not to mention the fact that when you do move, it's sometimes a
struggle to get your security deposit back. Showing the place looking
better than when you move in and having the landlord try to deduct
repairs/cleaning would be entertaining!





I almost missed a

plane in St Louis last year because I got staring at a state map on the wall. It had a huge legend... OMG. legends... remember legends...
you don't really see them on Google Maps.. they just kinda assume you know or they just label it on mouse over.. but the little itch it
would scratch in your head to see a line that you didn't know, you look
at the legend and poof you knew. Not quicker.. just satisfying.

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Being a airman makes me a bit of a map nerd. And a weather nerd. Bunch
of other things I won't mention.

Yeah, I grew up flying in sailplanes. Did some power training but ended up a commercial drone license.
Funny though, the wife and I have made no cell phone trips where we had to use paper maps. Good maps are harder to find these days than you think! And we have a NY map that's before all the current interstates were finished so we've taken pre-interstate trips too.
Had a great Rt 20 motorcycle ride once, I90 the Thruway parallels it now.

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My landlord got pissy and said we should pay for damages, but it was 25 year tennancy and the carpet naturally aged.


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On 04 Jun 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

TheNerd wrote to fusion <=-

I have maps on my walls. Thats how much I love maps.

I had a rather detailed military type map covering a wall when I lived in West Germany, and would put a dot on each small town I visited, usually doing a Volksmarch.

When visitors commented on the map, the reason for th dots was varied a bit though, depending on if the visitor was gulible and/or anoying.

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Re: Re: ASCII world map
By: poindexter FORTRAN to TheNerd on Tue Jun 04 2024 09:14 am

Not to mention the fact that when you do move, it's sometimes a struggle to get your security deposit back. Showing the place looking better than when you move in and having the landlord try to deduct repairs/cleaning would be entertaining!

Years ago, when moving out of an apartment, someone from the leasing office did a walk-through with me and said it looked okay. I did all the paperwork & things and moved out, and a month or so later, I got contacted by that apartment saying they were charging me for carpet damage in a section of the carpet. They said it looked like pet urine. I didn't even have any pets when I was living there, and I didn't know what they were talking about. When I said I didn't have a pet, they apparently didn't believe me; they said I could have had a pet and not told them.

Nightfox

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On 05 Jun 2024, Nightfox said the following...

Re: Re: ASCII world map
By: poindexter FORTRAN to TheNerd on Tue Jun 04 2024 09:14 am

Not to mention the fact that when you do move, it's sometimes a strug to get your security deposit back. Showing the place looking better t when you move in and having the landlord try to deduct repairs/cleani would be entertaining!

Years ago, when moving out of an apartment, someone from the leasing office did a walk-through with me and said it looked okay. I did all
the paperwork & things and moved out, and a month or so later, I got contacted by that apartment saying they were charging me for carpet
damage in a section of the carpet. They said it looked like pet urine.
I didn't even have any pets when I was living there, and I didn't know what they were talking about. When I said I didn't have a pet, they apparently didn't believe me; they said I could have had a pet and not told them.

yeah.. renting is pretty crummy.. i learned from some friends to always document *everything* so i did. a bit strange to take photos every 6 months of your apartment or whatever - as if you're trying to list the place for sale or something - but it's definitely helpful when they try to come after you for "damages" .. they'll lie and say you kept your surroundings poorly or whatever.

a common one is definitely carpet.. i've had places tell me they "always replace carpet between tenants" and then try to charge for it after the fact. or say pet fees are for replacing the carpet afterwards and then attempting the same.. if you have that in writing they're toast regardless of what you did to it ;)

on the other hand, i knew someone that basically glued a carpet to the kitchen floor so it wouldn't move.. got away with that one because he was there long enough that the flooring was past it's useful life.. i guess even the best tenants (the landlord praised him for it a lot..) can do annoying shit ;)

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Re: Re: Renting
By: fusion to Nightfox on Wed Jun 05 2024 12:23 pm

Years ago, when moving out of an apartment, someone from the leasing
office did a walk-through with me and said it looked okay. I did all the
paperwork & things and moved out, and a month or so later, I got
contacted by that apartment saying they were charging me for carpet
damage in a section of the carpet. They said it looked like pet urine. I

yeah.. renting is pretty crummy.. i learned from some friends to always document *everything* so i did. a bit strange to take photos every 6 months of your apartment or whatever - as if you're trying to list the

I guess that wouldn't hurt to do. But I've lived in multiple apartments in my life and that was the only one that did that to me. That whole experience living there was odd, from the apartment to my job I had there, the town, etc.. That apartment complex was also the first one I'd lived in that charged extra for an assigned parking space (seriously? Most people have a car..) and charged extra for water & sewer (previously, apartments I lived at didn't do that; it was probably just part of the rent).

Nightfox

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Hello Nightfox!

** On Wednesday 05.06.24 - 08:55, Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

Years ago, when moving out of an apartment, someone from
the leasing office did a walk-through with me and said it
looked okay. I did all the paperwork & things and moved
out, and a month or so later, I got contacted by that
apartment saying they were charging me for carpet damage in
a section of the carpet. They said it looked like pet
urine. I didn't even have any pets when I was living
there, and I didn't know what they were talking about.
When I said I didn't have a pet, they apparently didn't
believe me; they said I could have had a pet and not told
them.

Or.. The building superintendant had a pet that did the dirty
deed, it was someone with a pet who went to view the apartment
after you left, and they decided it was easy to pin it on you.


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Re: Renting
By: Ogg to Nightfox on Wed Jun 05 2024 06:48 pm

Or.. The building superintendant had a pet that did the dirty deed, it was someone with a pet who went to view the apartment after you left, and they decided it was easy to pin it on you.

They should have kept a note that someone did a walk-thru of the apartment with me and didn't see damage like that. I thought that was the point of doing a walk-thru before a tenant leaves.

Nightfox

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On 05 Jun 2024, Nightfox said the following...

Re: Renting
By: Ogg to Nightfox on Wed Jun 05 2024 06:48 pm

Or.. The building superintendant had a pet that did the dirty deed, i someone with a pet who went to view the apartment after you left, and decided it was easy to pin it on you.

They should have kept a note that someone did a walk-thru of the
apartment with me and didn't see damage like that. I thought that was
the point of doing a walk-thru before a tenant leaves.

Never mistake what is right with what they can get away with.

Learned a long time ago that no matter how great the place was taken care of, if the deposit ever came back it was a bonus.

That attitude makes the sting of any unjust deposit withheld less painful.

In these days of super cameras in most cellphones, you gain a lot of renter's advantage taking videos and pictures before you move in. Been sending them right away to the landlord, both to document the situation and basically to put them on quiet notice to play fair.

The closer you rent to a University the landlords split into two types - some really fair minded people and the rest varying levels of shits.

Around universities watch out for the shitty management companies - people will tell you who they are. Unless you like fighting with expensive attorneys over small sums, they set out to abuse you like as if you were some sort of vassal in teh dark ages.

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k9zw wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

I had a rather detailed military type map covering a wall when I lived
in West Germany, and would put a dot on each small town I visited,
usually doing a Volksmarch.

There's a story online about a guy who's office Zoom background during
the pandemic was a street map. He started adding pushpins and yarn,
photos and notes, making a pretty good approximation of a
conspiracy/murder board.




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Re: Re: Renting
By: k9zw to Nightfox on Thu Jun 06 2024 09:49 am

Around universities watch out for the shitty management companies - people will tell you who they are. Unless you like fighting with expensive attorneys over small sums, they set out to abuse you like as if you were som sort of vassal in teh dark ages.

I've hear so many stories recently about security deposits suddenly becoming cleaning deposits, routine carpet replacement required despite the "normal wear and tear" legal assumptions, landlords saying they replace the carpet after *every* tenant...
As long as it makes financial sense and they're selling a necessary good (housing), they'll screw their customers over. One or two may send them to small claims court, and they'll grudgingly pay back a deposit (plus interest, oh, how they forget that!)

But, for every 1 who takes them to task, 9 grin and bear it.

What would it take for deposit grift to become financially untenable, I wonder?

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On 06 Jun 2024, poindexter FORTRAN said the following...

Re: Re: Renting
By: k9zw to Nightfox on Thu Jun 06 2024 09:49 am

I've hear so many stories recently about security deposits suddenly becoming cleaning deposits, routine carpet replacement required despite the "normal wear and tear" legal assumptions, landlords saying they replace the carpet after *every* tenant...
As long as it makes financial sense and they're selling a necessary good (housing), they'll screw their customers over. One or two may send them
to small claims court, and they'll grudgingly pay back a deposit (plus interest, oh, how they forget that!)

But, for every 1 who takes them to task, 9 grin and bear it.

What would it take for deposit grift to become financially untenable, I wonder?

The difficulties are:

The paperwork is ALWAYS stacked in their favor.

You're moving and hence often disinclined to a prolonged fight at your old location/city/state/country..

Your ROI (Return on Investment) is often less than parity, like mayeb you
will spend 4-6 times what you will reclaim

Depending on where the Landlord can screw up your credit ratings, get you blacklisted (easy for them in some of the university situations) and other crap that is a form of economic blackmail

In all honesty just talking with a properly qualified attorney will burn all your deposit anyway.

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Hello k9zw!

Depending on where the Landlord can screw up your credit
ratings, get you blacklisted (easy for them in some of the
university situations) and other crap that is a form of
economic blackmail

In all honesty just talking with a properly qualified
attorney will burn all your deposit anyway.

You can also take your case to the media at no cost. There are
several "fight for the consumer" programs (radio and tv) that
would be more than glad to have a sensational story about an
unreasonable landlord trying to pull some money-cheating theme.


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I had a company do the same with me. The property manager did a walkthrough with me, then a month after moving sent me a bill for carpet cleaning. At
first I thought it was an oversight, but again, with nothing in writing they just kept pushing. That was maybe 11 years ago, and I don't even remember how
I resolved it.

I was allowed to break a lease due to a leaking ceiling which flooded my apartment about a year later. Then, a year after moving out, I got a summons
to pay 6 months of rent along with other fees. Someone else had signed a
lease on that apartment right after I moved out and repaired the ceiling. The cost to fight it in court was as much as it was to fork over the money, so
all I did was drag it out until I could pay it.

When you're a tenant, they've got you by the balls and try to get as much out of you as possible. Their business isn't providing service or housing, it's just to make money -even it means screwing you over.


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