• the vinyl comeback..

    From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to All on Fri Dec 19 09:02:00 2025
    This is precisely what i thought was *really* happening..
    people collecting vinyl for the "art":

    "Gen Z is playing an outsized role in the revival of vinyl
    sales, which have grown on average by 18% annually in the past
    five years. About 60% of Gen Z say they buy records, according
    to Futuresource Consulting's Audio Tech Lifestyles report.

    "But Gen Z isn't necessarily buying records for their unique
    sound. Around 40% of record buyers in the United States don't
    own a turntable, noted James Duvall, principal analyst and head
    of entertainment at Futuresource Consulting.

    "Fifty-six percent of Gen Z fans like vinyl for its aesthetic,
    while 37% use it as home decor, according to a Vinyl Alliance
    survey. It's part of what Jared Watson, an assistant professor
    of marketing at New York University, calls "symbolic
    consumption."

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/12/14/business/vinyl-collectible-gen-z


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  • From Atreyu@1:229/426 to August Abolins on Fri Dec 19 10:04:45 2025
    On 19 Dec 25 09:02:00, August Abolins said the following to All:

    "Gen Z is playing an outsized role in the revival of vinyl
    sales, which have grown on average by 18% annually in the past
    five years. About 60% of Gen Z say they buy records, according
    to Futuresource Consulting's Audio Tech Lifestyles report.

    New vinyl is too expensive.

    Nick

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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Sat Dec 20 03:15:07 2025
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 09:02:00 -0500
    "August Abolins" (2:221/1.58) <August.Abolins@p58.f1.n221.z2.fidonet>
    wrote:

    This is precisely what i thought was *really* happening..
    people collecting vinyl for the "art":

    "Gen Z is playing an outsized role in the revival of vinyl
    sales, which have grown on average by 18% annually in the past
    five years. About 60% of Gen Z say they buy records, according
    to Futuresource Consulting's Audio Tech Lifestyles report.

    "But Gen Z isn't necessarily buying records for their unique
    sound. Around 40% of record buyers in the United States don't
    own a turntable, noted James Duvall, principal analyst and head
    of entertainment at Futuresource Consulting.

    "Fifty-six percent of Gen Z fans like vinyl for its aesthetic,
    while 37% use it as home decor, according to a Vinyl Alliance
    survey. It's part of what Jared Watson, an assistant professor
    of marketing at New York University, calls "symbolic
    consumption."

    Would be interesting to see how he came up with 40% of record buyers
    don't own a turntable. Nobody has asked me if I own a turn table. Is
    this 40% of 100 people he asked or 40% of 100,000 people?

    Does this account for people who don't own a record player but use
    someone else's (room mate, parents, partners etc) turntable?

    Is that new or used vinyl? I must admit I didn't read the article and
    I'm not going to either. The price of new is getting stupid high,
    relative to what I used to pay as a kid anyway, but when you factor
    inflation it's actually about right, but I hate paying $25-$40+ often
    having to add shipping.
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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Sat Dec 20 03:17:19 2025
    On Fri, 19 Dec 2025 10:04:45 +0000
    "Atreyu" (1:229/426) <Atreyu@f426.n229.z1.fidonet> wrote:

    New vinyl is too expensive.

    I just said that. On the face of it, yes. But if you figure that $10
    album you got in 1985 would cost, accounting for inflation, $30 so it's
    about in line.
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  • From Atreyu@1:229/426 to Nigel Reed on Sat Dec 20 11:59:26 2025
    On 20 Dec 25 03:17:19, Nigel Reed said the following to All:

    New vinyl is too expensive.

    I just said that. On the face of it, yes. But if you figure that $10
    album you got in 1985 would cost, accounting for inflation, $30 so it's about in line.

    I already have thousands of records in the basement mostly from 50's up to early 2000's... of all genres imaginable... But mostly the collection is
    half pop/rock/metal and other half being dance/club music. So these re-releases I see in the stores going for around average $40CDN+tax I simply say no thanks. I already spent a fortune over the years on music.

    Yes it would be nice to have some of the CD-only stuff from the 90's on vinyl.

    Nick

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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to Atreyu on Sat Dec 20 15:04:19 2025
    Re: Re: the vinyl comeback..
    By: Atreyu to Nigel Reed on Sat Dec 20 2025 11:59:26

    Yes it would be nice to have some of the CD-only stuff from the 90's on vinyl.

    I'm not getting the whole reissue thing, especially when a lot of people are complaining the reissues sound worse than the originals but yes, hearing some of the 90's stuff on vinyl would be nice.

    For those not into vinyl and perfer the compact disc, I still have about 3000 for sale :)
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  • From Atreyu@1:229/426 to Nigel Reed on Sat Dec 20 17:01:55 2025
    On 20 Dec 25 15:04:19, Nigel Reed said the following to Atreyu:

    I'm not getting the whole reissue thing, especially when a lot of people ar complaining the reissues sound worse than the originals but yes, hearing so of the 90's stuff on vinyl would be nice.

    I have several dozen 90's pop/rock on vinyl but so much is still CD-only and likely would be a limited-run if reissued, hence translation - expensive $$$.

    But I collected around 2 thousand of 90's to early 2000's
    dance/club/hiphop/R&B 12 inch singles. Been lucky over the years to get those fairly cheap... Its interesting that you don't really see too many reissues
    of singles or special remix one-offs... almost all reissues are full albums.

    Nick

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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to Atreyu on Sat Dec 20 16:49:08 2025
    Re: Re: the vinyl comeback..
    By: Atreyu to Nigel Reed on Sat Dec 20 2025 17:01:55

    But I collected around 2 thousand of 90's to early 2000's dance/club/hiphop/R&B 12 inch singles. Been lucky over the years to get those fairly cheap... Its interesting that you don't really see too many reissues
    of singles or special remix one-offs... almost all reissues are full albums.

    I'm sure the cost of produce and distribute a single is even more cost prohibitive these days. I don't know if they're even making CD singles any more. I have a few of those.

    I have a couple of thousand 7" singles. I would buy boxes of them from a place on ebay. Like 100 for $18 including shipping. Found some gems in there, but they're mostly ex-jukebox so often with the big center hole and no jackets. I got a bunch of nice plain white and antistatic covers. It's interesting going through them all, especially the B-sides that you never really hear.
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Atreyu on Sat Dec 20 17:45:00 2025
    Hello Atreyu!

    ** On Saturday 20.12.25 - 11:59, Atreyu wrote to Nigel Reed:

    I already have thousands of records in the basement mostly
    from 50's up to early 2000's... of all genres imaginable...
    But mostly the collection is half pop/rock/metal and other
    half being dance/club music. So these re-releases I see in
    the stores going for around average $40CDN+tax I simply say
    no thanks. I already spent a fortune over the years on
    music.

    Why not list some of it on the market while it's hot for vinyl?


    Yes it would be nice to have some of the CD-only stuff from
    the 90's on vinyl.

    Honestly.. I find some CD-only stuff, like DDD classical
    recordings far superior to a vinyl attempt.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Sat Dec 20 17:51:00 2025
    Hello Nigel Reed!

    ** On Saturday 20.12.25 - 15:04, Nigel Reed wrote to Atreyu:

    For those not into vinyl and perfer the compact disc, I
    still have about 3000 for sale :) -+- SBBSecho 3.31-Linux

    I recall you mentioning that you were working on public-
    viewable list. Was that for Discogs?

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Sat Dec 20 17:54:00 2025
    Hello Nigel Reed!

    ** On Saturday 20.12.25 - 15:04, Nigel Reed wrote to Atreyu:

    I'm not getting the whole reissue thing, especially when a
    lot of people are complaining the reissues sound worse
    than the originals..

    Maybe "a lot of [those] people" are newbies and are using cheap
    turntables and/or generic cartridges, and/or not realizing that
    the needles may need to be cleaned after seeveral plays, and
    the needle should be replace after a few hundred plays.

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  • From Atreyu@1:229/426 to August Abolins on Sat Dec 20 18:06:22 2025
    On 20 Dec 25 17:45:00, August Abolins said the following to Atreyu:

    Why not list some of it on the market while it's hot for vinyl?

    I have no interest in selling my collection.

    Nick

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  • From Atreyu@1:229/426 to Nigel Reed on Sat Dec 20 18:07:14 2025
    On 20 Dec 25 16:49:08, Nigel Reed said the following to Atreyu:

    I'm sure the cost of produce and distribute a single is even more cost prohibitive these days. I don't know if they're even making CD singles any more. I have a few of those.

    Doubt it, haven't seen a CD-single in quite some time...

    I have a couple of thousand 7" singles. I would buy boxes of them from a pl on ebay. Like 100 for $18 including shipping. Found some gems in there, but they're mostly ex-jukebox so often with the big center hole and no jackets. got a bunch of nice plain white and antistatic covers. It's interesting goi through them all, especially the B-sides that you never really hear.

    Same here, about a few hundred 45's, mostly 50's/60's oldies.

    Nick

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Sun Dec 21 14:17:00 2025
    Hello Nigel Reed!

    ** On Saturday 20.12.25 - 16:49, Nigel Reed wrote to Atreyu:

    I have a couple of thousand 7" singles. I would buy boxes of them from a place on ebay. Like 100 for $18 including shipping. Found some gems in there, but they're mostly ex-jukebox so often with the big center hole
    and no jackets. I got a bunch of nice plain white and antistatic covers. It's interesting going through them all, especially the B-sides that you never really hear. -+- SBBSecho 3.31-Linux

    2000 45's is quite a haul.

    I have about 500 45's. Back in my day [and pre-highschool age]
    I didn't have any easy resources to investigate/study music
    groups and songs. I'd just visit a local shop in town that had
    several waste-height "bins" of 45's and I'd just sift through
    them until I'd see what piqued my interest. Another
    alternative was to give my mom a list of songs I was interested
    in having heard them on the radio, and she'd give the list to
    someone working at Sam The Reord Man in downtown Toronto when
    she was still travelling to Toronto every week.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Sun Dec 21 14:20:00 2025
    Hello Nigel Reed!

    ** On Saturday 20.12.25 - 03:17, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

    New vinyl is too expensive.

    I just said that. On the face of it, yes. But if you figure that $10
    album you got in 1985 would cost, accounting for inflation, $30 so it's about in line.

    Triple the price from the late 80s at 8.99 to 14.99 seems
    excessive considering that the "tech" ought to be less
    expensive to implement and operate.

    But, if I can garner $20+ per LP for my collection, that will
    be fine.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Nigel Reed on Sun Dec 21 14:26:00 2025
    Hello Nigel Reed!

    ** On Saturday 20.12.25 - 03:15, Nigel Reed wrote to All:

    Would be interesting to see how he came up with 40% of record buyers
    don't own a turntable. Nobody has asked me if I own a turn table. Is
    this 40% of 100 people he asked or 40% of 100,000 people?

    True. The survey was probably on a small quantity or low end of
    people.

    Is that new or used vinyl? I must admit I didn't read the article and
    I'm not going to either.

    The article *was* a mishmash reporting of new/used.


    The price of new is getting stupid high,
    relative to what I used to pay as a kid anyway, but when you factor inflation it's actually about right, but I hate paying $25-$40+ often having to add shipping.

    I had a few albums that I "rescued" from garbage, just sitting
    outside waiting to be picked up. Some had clearly damaged
    covers and the LPs were not prestine either. But I sold them
    at $5+ Truly, people just wanted to relive the tangible, the
    album art, and the notes inside the double-album ones.

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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to August Abolins on Sun Dec 21 15:21:32 2025
    Re: the vinyl comeback..
    By: August Abolins to Nigel Reed on Sun Dec 21 2025 14:17:00

    I have about 500 45's. Back in my day [and pre-highschool age]
    I didn't have any easy resources to investigate/study music
    groups and songs. I'd just visit a local shop in town that had
    several waste-height "bins" of 45's and I'd just sift through
    them until I'd see what piqued my interest. Another
    alternative was to give my mom a list of songs I was interested
    in having heard them on the radio, and she'd give the list to
    someone working at Sam The Reord Man in downtown Toronto when
    she was still travelling to Toronto every week.

    I lived in a small village in England growing up. It was an hour bus ride to the nearest town with a decent record store. I'd go to Revolver records in the Four Seasons Shopping Centre to get a couple of 7" singles. I was never much in to collecting albums back then. I liked the songs like heard but wasn't willing to invest in stuff I had no idea about.

    After that I'd walk down to Vinyl Mania which has the best used selection.

    I had a paper round which would barely cover the bus fare and a couple of singles but it'd be fun just to go into town.
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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to August Abolins on Sun Dec 21 15:27:45 2025
    Re: the vinyl comeback..
    By: August Abolins to Nigel Reed on Sun Dec 21 2025 14:20:00

    Triple the price from the late 80s at 8.99 to 14.99 seems
    excessive considering that the "tech" ought to be less
    expensive to implement and operate.

    But, if I can garner $20+ per LP for my collection, that will
    be fine.

    I think the problem is the increased labor costs plus there were only 2 factories that produced the lacquer discs at the time the only US plant caught fire and was a total loss. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Masters_Corporation_fire)
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  • From Mickey@1:229/307 to August Abolins on Sun Dec 21 18:26:47 2025
    On 21 Dec 2025, August Abolins said the following...

    Triple the price from the late 80s at 8.99 to 14.99 seems
    excessive considering that the "tech" ought to be less
    expensive to implement and operate.

    But, if I can garner $20+ per LP for my collection, that will
    be fine.

    Although I personally haven't released anything on vinyl, many of my friends have. After all the extra cost and trouble of getting them burned, they usually sell them (at their shows) at the merch table for aroung 40-45 CAN

    The quality is usually real good.

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/1.58 to Mickey on Sun Dec 28 11:14:00 2025
    Hello Mickey!

    ** On Sunday 21.12.25 - 18:26, you wrote:

    Although I personally haven't released anything on vinyl,
    many of my friends have. After all the extra cost and
    trouble of getting them burned, they usually sell them (at
    their shows) at the merch table for aroung 40-45 CAN

    How much of a markup is that?

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