----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------


Previous sent to wrong address, der.


Vincent

--- Mageia Linux v8 X64/Mbse v1.0.8.5/GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Air Applewood, The Linux Gateway to the UK & Eire (2:250/1)

Hello!

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

Ciao!
Fabio

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
* Origin: ]\/[imac Rebirth Boss Point (2:335/364.1)

Hello Marc!

11 Mar 24 10:19, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

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| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

Hello Vincent!

12 Mar 24 00:10, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

Previous sent to wrong address, der.

Vincent

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

Hello Fabio!

12 Mar 24 08:32, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

Hello all,

------------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No | |----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | | ------------------------------------------------

Best regards,
Niels
(aka 2:29/0)

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20220504
* Origin: The Millennium BBS - fido.joncheere.be (2:292/789)

Hello Niels!

17 Mar 24 11:34, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

------------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No | |----------------------|-------------|----|----| | Rob Swindell
| 1:103/705 | X | |
------------------------------------------------

Best regards,
Niels
(aka 2:29/0)

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No | |----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

Alex Barinov
RC2:50

E-Mail: aleksey.v.barinov AT gmail.com Skype: huba-huba Telegram: @huba715 [Team ��த���] [F09F87BAF09F87A6]
... ��� ������ ����⠬!
--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20180707
* Origin: Alex at Home (2:5020/5452)

Hey Alex!

Вся власть Советам!

Російський Sysop, іди до біса!

Life is good,
Maurice

-o o- o- o- -o -o o- o- -o -o -o o- -o o- o- -o
(\ /) /) /) (\ (\ /) /) (\ (\ (\ /) (\ /) /) (\
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Sorh cymeð manig ond mislic in manna dream.
Sorrow comes in many and various ways amid the joys of men.
--- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hello Alex!

18 Mar 24 13:12, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No | |----------------------|-------------|----|----| | Rob Swindell
| 1:103/705 | X |
| ----------------------------------------------

Alex Barinov
RC2:50

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

Hello Election!

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | | |
----------------------------------------------

I don't know him, and I don't know about him. so I can't vote either up or down.

Regards,
Avshalom Donskoi, RC 2:40

--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20240306
* Origin: DVB Station (2:400/2992)

Hello Avshalom!

20 Mar 24 23:10, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | | |
----------------------------------------------

I don't know him, and I don't know about him. so I can't vote either
up or down.

Regards,
Avshalom Donskoi, RC 2:40

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

Hello Carol!

Thursday March 21 2024, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Avshalom Donskoi:

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| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | | |
----------------------------------------------

I don't know him, and I don't know about him. so I can't vote
either up or down.

Regards,
Avshalom Donskoi, RC 2:40

He's the author of SBBS

This is good! The author of the FIDO programs may be in the FTSC.

But I don't know if it's possible to change my voice? If yes, then I vote "yes"!

Regards, Avshalom Donskoi

--- GoldED+/W64-MSVC 1.1.5-b20240306
* Origin: DVB Station (2:400/2992)

Hello Avshalom!

22 Mar 24 00:10, you wrote to Carol Shenkenberger:

He's the author of SBBS

This is good! The author of the FIDO programs may be in the FTSC.

But I don't know if it's possible to change my voice? If yes, then I
vote "yes"!

The rules do not allow revising your ballot once it is submitted. However, it appears likely that Rob will be easily elected, so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Regards,

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Avshalom Donskoi <=-

Re: Re: Vote
By: Avshalom Donskoi to Carol Shenkenberger on Fri Mar 22 2024
12:10 am

Hello Carol!

Thursday March 21 2024, Carol Shenkenberger wrote to Avshalom Donskoi:

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| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | | |
----------------------------------------------

I don't know him, and I don't know about him. so I can't vote
either up or down.

Regards,
Avshalom Donskoi, RC 2:40

He's the author of SBBS

This is good! The author of the FIDO programs may be in the FTSC.

But I don't know if it's possible to change my voice? If yes, then I vote "yes"!

Regards, Avshalom Donskoi

Up to the vote taker! My impression was all you did was ask for information.

The posted election rules specifically stated that a vote could not be
changed once it was cast.

Seems to me that the OP could/should have done a little research before
he decided he "can't vote either up or down".

<SHRUG>



... So easy, a child could do it. Child sold separately.
=== MultiMail/Linux v0.52
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Linux
* Origin: Palantir * palantirbbs.ddns.net * Pensacola, FL * (1:135/115)

Hello, Dan!

Friday March 22 2024 20:06, from Dan Clough -> Carol Shenkenberger:

| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | | |
I don't know him, and I don't know about him. so I can't vote
either up or down.

I can see an issue here is that the vote is just a Boolean, but someone might prefer the 3rd choice.

This is good! The author of the FIDO programs may be in the FTSC.
But I don't know if it's possible to change my voice? If yes, then
I vote "yes"!

Ah, this gentleman knows how to write code to deal with the @CHRS kludge, where the other popular BBS software namely Mystic BBS has no ideas that there could be life outside of cp437 realm.

Up to the vote taker! My impression was all you did was ask for
information.

Ballot.. My bet is that the new term will ever scratch the surface but just update that fakken fta-1003.

Best Regards, Nil
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240306
* Origin: FidoNet member since 1995 (1:16/101)

Hey Nil!

Mystic BBS has no ideas that there could be life outside of cp437
realm.

Not too much different than the cp866 crowd. Speaking of which, what does the cp866 crowd think about your "KOI8-R 2"?

just update that fakken fta-1003

:-) It is pretty sad that is for sure. How come you're not running for ftsc meembership?

Life is good,
Maurice

o- -o o- o- -o -o -o o- o- o- o- o- o- -o o- o- /) (\ /) /) (\ (\ (\ /) /) /) /) /) /) (\ /) /) ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Fidonet 4K - Sweet Sixteen Penguins of the Apocalypse.
--- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: One of us @ (1:153/7001.2989)

Hello, Maurice!

Saturday March 23 2024 03:35, from Maurice Kinal -> Nil Alexandrov:

Mystic BBS has no ideas that there could be life outside of cp437
realm.

Not too much different than the cp866 crowd.

Oops... my latest patch to GoldED source code has done the thing and deanonymized my $LANG/$LC_ALL environment variable.

FWIW, my recent tests with "KOI8-R 2" vs "CP866 2" revealed, that Z2:R50 folks are not ready to read any Cyrillic outside of DOS encoding back in 90th which is CP866.

Speaking of which, what does the cp866 crowd think about your "KOI8-R
2"?

Well, if you stay within the true ASCII range, which is <127, you can claim any, and I repeat ANY charset aka @CHRS, including utf-8.
I'm writing in 'CP866 2' now and you are reading me well, just as an example.

just update that fakken fta-1003

:-) It is pretty sad that is for sure. How come you're not running
for ftsc meembership?

The "bottle neck" is the Randy Bush's copyright on FTS-0000000000000000001 document, which is the essential onboarding material for those who are looking for the specs to write their FTN comparable s/w and it sux.

Best Regards, Nil
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240306
* Origin: FidoNet member since 1995 (2:5015/46)

Hey Nil!

my latest patch to GoldED source code has done the thing

It could work for me but first you need to get utf-8 working before I'd get excighted about it. I have a couple points that can convert utf-8 to whatever REAL 8-bit character set including koi8-{r|u}. It doesn't scare me.

Z2:R50 folks are not ready to read any Cyrillic outside of DOS
encoding back in 90th which is CP866.

The heathen bastards! ;-)

Это для меня китайская грамота.

The "bottle neck" is the Randy Bush's copyright on
FTS-0000000000000000001 document

I could live without it. For sure all the binary crap *should* get the heave-ho. As for encoding utf-8 is the way to go but I don't see it happening soon and I fully plan to exploit it as-is (fts-5003.001). As for fts-0001.016, there are very few hubs that actually support it and haven't for a couple decades now. The document they wish to replace it with isn't any better methinks.

Life is good,
Maurice

o- -o o- o- o- -o o- -o -o -o -o -o o- o- o- -o /) (\ /) /) /) (\ /) (\ (\ (\ (\ (\ /) /) /) (\ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Ðys dogor þu geþyld hafa weana gehwylces.
This day, have patience in every affliction.
--- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Nil,

The "bottle neck" is the Randy Bush's copyright on
FTS-0000000000000000001 document, ...

I haven't researched it but I'm pretty sure copyrights are being broken in Fidonet at different levels .... that's the anarchistic beauty of it.

Without producing something entirely new or breaking copyrights, advancement is a challenge.

So, in this case the copyright-thing is merely an excuse to not do anything.

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20230201
* Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)

Hey Ward!

I haven't researched it but I'm pretty sure copyrights are being
broken in Fidonet at different levels

Which documents have copyrights belonging to third parties? It should be the ftsc that holds any copyrights. No?

So, in this case the copyright-thing is merely an excuse to not
do anything.

For who? I would hope that any document standing in the way would be properly addressed so that these people have only their lack of knowledge to use as an excuse for doing nothing.

Life is good,
Maurice

-o -o -o o- o- o- o- o- o- o- -o -o -o -o o- -o
(\ (\ (\ /) /) /) /) /) /) /) (\ (\ (\ (\ /) (\
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Leorna lare lærgedefe, wene þec in wisdom.
Learn lessons fit for learning, train yourself in wisdom.
--- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Maurice,

Which documents have copyrights belonging to third parties? It should be the ftsc that holds any copyrights. No?

1) The FTSC is not a legal entity, it cannot own anything;
2) Every time someone writes something, there's a copyright on it. I wrote something in this echo, you responded to my copyrighted message without formally asking me permission to quote from it ... violation ...

A lot of people have their mouths full of doing something useful, contribute to the cause ... in my case that would mean come on over and give my living room a fresh coat of paint ... not the Mr.Bean style. There will be beer, the best beer.

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20230201
* Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)

Hej Ward!

I like the no quoting thing you propose. That simplifies everything. You can quote me on that.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

o- -o o- o-
/) (\ /) /)
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Fidonet 1080p - De vier pinguïns van de Apocalyps
--- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint @ (2:280/464.113)

Maurice,




I really like this ...

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20230201
* Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)

Hey Ward!

I am left wondering about the REPLY kludge given it is stripped from your MSGID not unlike quoting which by your proposal looks to be a violation. For the record I could easily live without it.

Life is good,
Maurice

-o o- -o -o o- -o o- -o o- o- o- -o -o o- -o -o
(\ /) (\ (\ /) (\ /) (\ /) /) /) (\ (\ /) (\ (\
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Ne hopa ðu to oþres monnes deaðe; uncuð hwa lengest libbe.
Do not hope for another man's death; it is unknown who will live longest. --- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Maurice,

I am left wondering about the REPLY kludge given it is stripped from your MSGID ...

Hmmmm ... that's a newone ... a MSGID "with" a REPLY-kludge? You have to explain that to me. I always thought these were 2 separate unrelated lines...

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20230201
* Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)

Hej Ward!

For a complete breakdown of MSGID/REPLY see fts-0009.001. They are seperate lines but are related since in order to create a REPLY a MSGID for the msg one is replying to is critical. There should be no REPLY without a MSGID. The REPLY kludge contained in this reply (without quotes) was obtained from your last msg addressed to me and is traceable back to the original nonreply msg which has a MSGID but no REPLY since it wasn't an actual reply.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

-o -o -o -o
(\ (\ (\ (\
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Fidonet 1080p - De vier pinguïns van de Apocalyps
--- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint @ (2:280/464.113)

Maurice,

You're beginning to sound like my mother, a little bit also like Wilfred, explaining me the obvious as if I were a total newbee and/or ignorant.

These are the MSGID/REPLY kludges from my last three messages to you in this conference.

Date: 23 Mar 24 17:43:07
MSGID: 2:292/854 182d1c21
REPLY: 1:153/7001 65fec6dc

Date: 23 Mar 24 18:22:47
MSGID: 2:292/854 19194667
REPLY: 2:280/464.113 65ff0d7a

Date: 24 Mar 24 00:23:44
MSGID: 2:292/854 071a442b
REPLY: 1:153/7001 65ff1722

Nothing wrong there, right?

And this is the MSGID/REPLY kludge from your message I am responding to:

Date: 24 Mar 24 00:20:09
REPLY: 2:292/854 071a442b
MSGID: 2:280/464.113 65ff71b9

Please compare that to what's in the header of this message. Seems purrrfectly OK to me, my cat would say (if I had one).

If there is an issue you need to be more specific because I'm not seeing it. However, if something indeed is missing when it arrives at your system then I suggest the following things:

a) I notice one time you're writing from a node-address and the next time you're writing from a point-address. Buggy configurations?

b) Buggy Linux-software? You're a Linux-guy and I guess my messages here reach you via Wilfred, who is also a Linux-guy ...

Within a few minutes Wilfred will respond with a more in-depth analyses...

Enjoy the week-end,

\%/@rd

--- DB4 - 20230201
* Origin: Many Glacier - Preserve / Protect / Conserve (2:292/854)

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No | |----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------


Thanks,
Jay

... Did anyone ever figure out whether it's duck season or rabbit season?
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
* Origin: Northern Realms (1:12/0)

Hello Jay!

24 Mar 24 04:39, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No | |----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

Thanks,
Jay

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

Hey Ward!

You failed to answer the question which had nothing to do with fts-0009.001 from a technical pov.

If nobody is allowed to quote your MSGs without your permission then is the REPLY part, which is copied from your MSGID not the same as quoting without permission? This is not a technical question.

As for my differing addresses they are both valid and I have access to both in order to test these sorts of ideas, hence the differing configurations. Also they are two independent machines. Also, also have two other machines with their own point addresses off of this node which I can easily alter to suit whatever testing I care to come up with, most of which has nothing to do with fidonet or anything like it. Most of my software is geared towards development (compilers, interpretors, shells, etc). Dealing with people, such as yourself, has always been a weak spot with me.

I look forward to Wilfred's reply.

Life is good,
Maurice

o- -o o- -o -o o- o- -o -o o- o- o- -o -o o- -o /) (\ /) (\ (\ /) /) (\ (\ /) /) /) (\ (\ /) (\ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^ ... Dreamas sind gewitene, wuniað þa wacran ond þæs woruld healdaþ.
Joys are departed; weaker ones now live and hold the world.
--- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's Brain - Ladysmith BC, Canada (1:153/7001)

Hello $MUSER!!

LOL

--
../|ug

--- OpenXP 5.0.58
* Origin: (2:221/1.58)

Hej August!

I think it might be the best REPLY ever ... or at least in this particular echoarea.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

-o -o -o -o
(\ (\ (\ (\
^^ ^^ ^^ ^^
... Fidonet 1080p - De vier pinguïns van de Apocalyps
--- GNU bash, version 5.2.26(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
* Origin: Little Mikey's EuroPoint @ (2:280/464.113)

The Region 13 Ballot submitted below is based on feedback
by Region 13 sysops that participated in a poll.

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

Respectfully submitted representing Region 13,

Region 13 Coordinator - Michael Luko

--- QScan/PCB v1.20a / 01-0462
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Hello Michael!

29 Mar 24 01:11, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

The Region 13 Ballot submitted below is based on feedback
by Region 13 sysops that participated in a poll.

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

Respectfully submitted representing Region 13,

Region 13 Coordinator - Michael Luko

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------
--- SBBSecho 3.20-Win32
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Hello Kurt!

29 Mar 24 07:39, you wrote to Election Coordinator:

----------------------------------------------
| Name | Node nr | Yes| No |
|----------------------|-------------|----|----|
| Rob Swindell | 1:103/705 | X | |
----------------------------------------------

ACK.

Andrew
FTSC Election Coordinator

--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240209
* Origin: From the Desk of the FTSC Administrator (1:320/219)