Hey friends,

I've tried installing multiple different versions of Daydream on multiple different versions of AmigaOS. For some reason, any time a Daydream rexx door is launched, the BBS freezes. SnoopDOS doesn't give any indication why it's freezing or where it's getting hung up.

I've confirmed rx is in my path, I also manually copied it to c: to be sure.

Aside from that, I'm not sure where to go from here...has anyone messed with Daydream? I'd love a simple workaround for this :) Thanks!

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Hi Ryan,

On Saturday December 16 2023, Ryan Fantus said to All:

I've tried installing multiple different versions of Daydream on
multiple different versions of AmigaOS. For some reason, any time a Daydream rexx door is launched, the BBS freezes. SnoopDOS doesn't give
any indication why it's freezing or where it's getting hung up.

I've confirmed rx is in my path, I also manually copied it to c: to be sure.

Not having used Daydream, does any of this help?

Do you have the following in your user-startup:

sys:system/rexmast >NIL:
sys:rexxc/rxlib rexxsupport.library 0 -30 0

Not having used daydream, does it also require something like this in your
menu file/config? (This is from Zeus)

===
options results
parse arg line
call addlib("rexxsupport.library",0,-30,0)
[...]

cmd_t:
clidoor '"rx doors:rexxdoor/rexdor"'

cmd_n:
callscript 'main/sendnodemsg'
===



-- Stephen --

Rocking Amiganet with an Amiga 4000 and Zeus BBS.


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Not having used Daydream, does any of this help?

Do you have the following in your user-startup:

sys:system/rexmast >NIL:
sys:rexxc/rxlib rexxsupport.library 0 -30 0

Thanks for the help! Yep, I have both of those. Normal rexx scripts run fine, but the daydream interpreter is causing problems and I can't figure out why.

Not having used daydream, does it also require something like this in
your menu file/config? (This is from Zeus)

===
options results
parse arg line
call addlib("rexxsupport.library",0,-30,0)
[...]

cmd_t:
clidoor '"rx doors:rexxdoor/rexdor"'

cmd_n:
callscript 'main/sendnodemsg'
===

There is a way to launch Daydream rexx doors specifically in its config which I've followed (and also have used the bone-stock setup which has them configured by default and is also failing). I'm not sure what piece of the puzzle is missing here....it's...puzzling. hehe.

Thanks for the help.

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Hi Ryan,

On Monday December 18 2023, Ryan Fantus said to Stephen Walsh:

Not having used Daydream, does any of this help? Do you have the
following in your user-startup: sys:system/rexmast >NIL:
sys:rexxc/rxlib rexxsupport.library 0 -30 0

Thanks for the help! Yep, I have both of those. Normal rexx scripts run fine, but the daydream interpreter is causing problems and I can't
figure out why.

[...]

Thanks for the help.

Kickstart/OS versions?



-- Stephen --

Rocking Amiganet with an Amiga 4000 and Zeus BBS.


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Kickstart/OS versions?

Hi Stephen,

Through some trial and error I was somehow able to get it all working. Still not sure what the silver bullet was, but it works. *shrug*

Thanks for the help, though.

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Hi Ryan,

On Saturday December 30 2023, Ryan Fantus said to Stephen Walsh:

Kickstart/OS versions?

Through some trial and error I was somehow able to get it all working. Still not sure what the silver bullet was, but it works. *shrug*

Thanks for the help, though.

Did you document what you did? Care to share? I've never seen a Daydream system. It also didn't help that rudi did his usual tricks with the latest versions. That put me off even trying it out, as there is no chance of
getting past the restrictions.



-- Stephen --

Rocking Amiganet with an Amiga 4000 and Zeus BBS.


--- Zeus BBS 1.5
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Did you document what you did? Care to share? I've never seen a Daydream system. It also didn't help that rudi did his usual tricks with the
latest versions. That put me off even trying it out, as there is no
chance of getting past the restrictions.

I really don't know what I did but I may spin a new instance up (workbench and all) just for the sake of documenting it.

However...

I actually texted Rudi earlier today because the person who purchased the Daydream source from him told me many moons ago that he lost the source and then stopped responding to my emails when I offered to buy it from him if he could track it down. So I asked Rudi if he had the source and I was told that BBSes are dead and he has nothing from BBSes any more and he just uses FidoNet on his phone. He said he has no source backup or anything.

So basically this means two things:

1. Daydream for Amiga is, for all intents and purposes, completely dead. Unless
someone has a source for it somewhere.
2. Aside from v1.30b (or any of the cracked earlier versions), Daydream will always be crippled, since there is no way to get a key made.

But yeah, the full 8.55 installer is missing quite a few pieces. The docs were originally in AmigaGuide and they were turned into a text doc for some reason. The base 8.55 install has a userbase with user passwords (fortunately encrypted
but still...).

Also don't get me started on how it went from 1.0 to 1.30b in a matter of years, just to jump to 2.50, 4.00, 5.00, 7.00, 8.00, 8.50, and finally 8.55. What the heck kind of versioning logic is this?

Anyway as you can see I'm pretty heated about this whole thing. I'm offering money to people and they still couldn't be bothered. It's frustrating. Especially considering how popular the new and up-to-date /X package is. Daydream could be super cool. I guess it wasn't meant to be.

Anyone have a line to the Mad Virgin folks who wrote 1.30b? Perhaps I can get in touch with some of them to find a pre-Rudi source and try to forget about the whole era which followed, and do some maintenance and possibly future releases.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2023/02/26 (Linux/64)
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Hi Ryan,

On Tuesday January 02 2024, Ryan Fantus said to Stephen Walsh:

Did you document what you did? Care to share? I've never seen a
Daydream system. It also didn't help that rudi did his usual tricks
with the latest versions. That put me off even trying it out, as there
is no chance of getting past the restrictions.

I really don't know what I did but I may spin a new instance up
(workbench and all) just for the sake of documenting it.

You held your left toe to the right just enough, while spining around in
your chair three times?

[...]

I actually texted Rudi earlier today because the person who purchased
the Daydream source from him told me many moons ago that he lost the source and then stopped responding to my emails when I offered to buy
it from him if he could track it down.

So much software has been lost this way...

In my search for the connect line software, I managed to track down two
people that was apart of the project. One didn't have any Amiga gear
anymore, and the other hasn't touched Amiga's in 25+ years and doesn't know what he has. But said he prob didn't have the source.

So I asked Rudi if he had the source and I was told that BBSes are dead

and he has nothing from RF> BBSes any more and he just uses FidoNet on his phone. He said he has no

source backup or anything.

A few people got fedup with him taking opensouce programs, making minor
changes to them and then releasing crippled shareware versions.

Binkd is a prime example. He says bugs got fixed, but it was a huge mess.

I do have a working Amibink setup on this node though. Having a stack of
100000 though, as 50000 is just way to small. It sits for a week without the server function crashing (It'll do that now @-) ). This node dosn't get many inbound connections, as it mainly polls the hub setup.

I use a cron even to make the poll to the hub, and use the same size stack. when setting it up, I thought that with all the reports of issues with
crashes, why not just double the stack figure.

The machine afterall has heaps of ram for a Amiga! (128Mb on the CPU card,
and 8 on the MB)

1. Daydream for Amiga is, for all intents and purposes, completely
dead. Unless someone has a source for it somewhere. 2. Aside from v1.30b

(or any of RF> the cracked earlier versions), Daydream will always be crippled, since

there is no way to get a key made.

Lots of software has gone into that foggy realm. #-(

But yeah, the full 8.55 installer is missing quite a few pieces. The

[...]

Also don't get me started on how it went from 1.0 to 1.30b in a matter
of years, just to jump to 2.50, 4.00, 5.00, 7.00, 8.00, 8.50, and
finally 8.55. What the heck kind of versioning logic is this?

Rudi hoping people think that it's had some majour work done on it.

Anyway as you can see I'm pretty heated about this whole thing. I'm offering money to people and they still couldn't be bothered. It's frustrating. Especially considering how popular the new and up-to-date
/X package is. Daydream could be super cool. I guess it wasn't meant to be.

R got in a huf and puff about the responses to his sh*t and left destroying everything in the process.

Anyone have a line to the Mad Virgin folks who wrote 1.30b? Perhaps I
can get in touch with some of them to find a pre-Rudi source and try to forget about the whole era which followed, and do some maintenance and possibly future releases.

Hehee! Ami/X has just had version 5.60 released to aminet...

If I didn't have so much time and effort into Zeus, and what I have done on
my system. Ami/x would be the software I'd run.... just can't stand the Cnet user interface, and I'd hate to see the sysop side....



-- Stephen --

Rocking Amiganet with an Amiga 4000 and Zeus BBS.


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1. Daydream for Amiga is, for all intents and purposes,
completely dead. Unless someone has a source for it
somewhere. 2. Aside from v1.30b (or any of RF> the cracked
earlier versions), Daydream will always be crippled, since
there is no way to get a key made.

Lots of software has gone into that foggy realm. #-(

It makes me wish I registered a lot more shareware back in the 90s.

A year or two ago, I sent a letter to the author of Epoch Master - to the address listed with the software for registration back when it was released
c. 1995. He replied, but had long since lost the source and ability to
create keyfiles :( Was cool to get a letter back though.



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NesQWK 1.06 < (c) 1995 NoLimits Software. Unregistered evaluation copy.

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Hi Ginger1,

On Sunday January 07 2024, Ginger1 said to STEPHEN WALSH:

Lots of software has gone into that foggy realm. #-(

It makes me wish I registered a lot more shareware back in the 90s.

released c. 1995. He replied, but had long since lost the source and ability to create keyfiles :( Was cool to get a letter back though.

That has been going on on other platforms as well... It's sad really.


-- Stephen --

Rocking Amiganet with an Amiga 4000 and Zeus BBS.


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